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Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 1 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 308
Today's Topics:
ASCII text on UNIX is OK now.
ATARI Disk Drive Power Supply
Computer Eyes/Digispec format
GEM-based UUE/UUD, with sources
Gemini Standard Usages (3 msgs)
Hard disk booting
IMG gormat
Lattice C
Personal Pascal 2 (2 msgs)
Publishers (II) (2 msgs)
ST code or C source for uncompressing .hqx & .sit files: Wanted!
TT/68882
Weekly posting of new stuff
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 12:48:01 BST
From: TAN JUN <tan@essex.ac.uk>
Subject: ASCII text on UNIX is OK now.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am sorry to have posted a request on the newsletter about the strange manner
happened text files on UNIX after transferred from Atari ST, (i.e., there are ~M
in the end of each line.). Last night, I found out that there was a difference
between UNIX and Atari on dealing things like `newline' and 'carriage-return'
in ASCII text files. It seems to me that Atari uses both `\r' and '\n' to
denote a newline, whereas UNIX only uses `\n` to do it. Therefore, it reminds me
to write a C filter to convert ASCII text files on UNIX after transferred from
Atari, in which every `\r` in Atari text file is omited in UNIX, i.e., only
`\n` is kept. Guess what ? It really works. The following is the C source-code,
#####################
/* Delete carriage-returns in Atari text file */
#include <stdio.h>
main()
{
int ch;
while ((ch=getchar())!=EOF) {
if(ch!='\r')(putchar(ch));
}
}
#####################
Forgive me to have posted this if the method had been well-known before.
I just wish that it might be useful to somebody.
All the best.
Jun Tan
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Date: 1 Jun 91 18:46:23 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!taco!eos.ncsu.edu!smisra@arizona.edu
(SAURABH MISRA)
Subject: ATARI Disk Drive Power Supply
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For ATARI SF314 or SF354
$20 Delivered
PS: All other components have been sold that were posted in my
previous message (ATARI 520ST, Drive, Monitors)
Thanks
Saurabh
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Date: 2 Jun 91 00:19:40 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.
edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!gknauss@arizona.edu (G. "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: Computer Eyes/Digispec format
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Argh. Kick me in the head. I can't find the listing I had of the
Computer Eyes raw data format, the one that Digispec uses. Anybody
have it? Is it part of the Formats posting?
Thanks...
--
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Greg "Maddog" Knauss "Aiee!" gknauss@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
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Date: 1 Jun 91 18:42:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a
rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: GEM-based UUE/UUD, with sources
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've mailed a GEM-based uuencoder/uudecoder and sources for same to
the moderator of comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st. It
handles split files, concatenated files with junk between the ``takes,''
etc. Look for it in the appropriate newsgroups.
----
Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
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Date: 1 Jun 91 14:04:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintak
a!pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu!entropy@arizona.edu (maximum entropy)
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May31.184317.26514@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
>Also, I have no idea what they are intending to use the "CDPATH"
>for. I've never seen it on a Unix system or an OS-9 system and
>I don't know what program would look for it. Is that supposed to
>be a path for CD Rom applications?
I don't use Gemini, but I do know what CDPATH is, from using ksh and
bash. The CDPATH variable contains a list of directories to scan for
a directory name given to the 'cd' command. For example, if my CDPATH
is ":/usr:/usr/entropy:/usr/bob/pub/bin/bsd4.3/recreation" then
if I type "cd games" the shell will:
1) cd to ./games if it exists (some shells don't do this if you have a CDPATH)
2) otherwise, cd to /usr/games if it exists
3) otherwise, cd to /usr/entropy/games if it exists
4) otherwise, cd to /usr/bob/pub/bin/bsd4.3/recreation/games if it exists
CDPATH is very useful if you have long paths to very common storage
areas and don't like typing them all the time.
entropy
--
entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu
entropy. . .it's not just a good idea, it's the second law.
Boycott Lotus, Apple, Ashton-Tate and Xerox. Join the League for
Programming Freedom! Write to league@prep.ai.mit.edu for more information.
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Date: 1 Jun 91 21:44:09 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!lsuc!jimomura@ar
izona.edu (Jim Omura)
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <ENTROPY.91Jun1090434@pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu> entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu
(maximum entropy) writes:
>In article <1991May31.184317.26514@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
>>Also, I have no idea what they are intending to use the "CDPATH"
>>for. I've never seen it on a Unix system or an OS-9 system and
>>I don't know what program would look for it. Is that supposed to
>>be a path for CD Rom applications?
>
>I don't use Gemini, but I do know what CDPATH is, from using ksh and
>bash. The CDPATH variable contains a list of directories to scan for
>a directory name given to the 'cd' command. For example, if my CDPATH
>is ":/usr:/usr/entropy:/usr/bob/pub/bin/bsd4.3/recreation" then
>if I type "cd games" the shell will:
>
>1) cd to ./games if it exists (some shells don't do this if you have a CDPATH)
>2) otherwise, cd to /usr/games if it exists
>3) otherwise, cd to /usr/entropy/games if it exists
>4) otherwise, cd to /usr/bob/pub/bin/bsd4.3/recreation/games if it exists
>
>CDPATH is very useful if you have long paths to very common storage
>areas and don't like typing them all the time.
>
This point has become sort of interesting. If you read
exactly what I said, it was a sort of a trick comment. Truth
is, I was being sarcastic. I did realize that they were using
it to define a search path for an empty 'cd' call. Truth is,
also that I really haven't seen CDPATH used personally (though
apparently it's 'csh' as well as 'ksh'. What I was getting
at though is that it's not classic Unix standard because 'sh'
simply looks for HOME. Though I'm starting to wonder now if
some versions of 'sh' might have been re-written to go either
way. But I was getting at a couple of points, albeit in retrospect,
in an overly cleverly manner. First, it's simply unnecessary.
If you think about the purpose of HOME and the purpose of CDPATH,
they are essentially duplcations of each other. Second, as I
pointed out earlier in my message, the Gemini team doesn't seem
to understand what HOME is for, and if they did, they would have
realized the unnecessary duplication. And I was hoping that
it would become clear, in a Zen sort of way that unnecessary
clutter in the environment is to be avoided. And also, as
I said in my earlier posting, if you don't get your standard uses
properly organized, you end up writing applications that look
in the wrong places for things. For example, if you have one
fellow using CDPATH and HOME for different purposes arbitrarily
and someone else somewhere else using them differently, you
could wind up with 2 applications that conflict. Like if
1 is looking for a '.signature' file in your HOME directory
which is '/usr/grp1/user1' but CDPATH is 'usr/projects/contract1'.
After all, if you have both then why not use them? Now if you're
going to *look* like you're copying Unix usages, then you better
be careful that you get some idea what standard usages really
are. And that may go beyond the manuals.
And I guess in this case I suggest that people simply
define CDPATH=${HOME} unless they have a really good reason not
to do so. And thinking about it, the best definition for the
CONSOLDIR (I think that's what it was called) is simply "." rather
than whatever they did (I think they set the console directory to
the GEMINI directory or something like that).
But it was really sloppy of me. I rarely post things
so deliberately obscure, and frankly I just plain botched it.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 1 Jun 91 22:24:08 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May31.184317.26514@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
->I've been working with Gemini off and on for a while now and
->I hope somebody can pass these comments to the programming team.
->It's all regarding the "mupfel.mup" file:
...
->Also, I have no idea what they are intending to use the "CDPATH"
->for. I've never seen it on a Unix system or an OS-9 system and
->I don't know what program would look for it. Is that supposed to
->be a path for CD Rom applications?
If I recall, CDPATH is the path that mupfel will search when you type
"CD directory". It's sort of like Norton CD under DOS - you can type "CD
directory" without a partition letter and CD will look on the various paths
specified by CDPATH for that directory name, regardless of which drive it is
on.
--
##############################################################################
# Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill #
# Microware Systems Corporation --- OS-9: Seven generations beyond OS/2!! #
######Opinions expressed are my own, though you'd be wise to adopt them!######
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Date: 1 Jun 91 10:31:24 GMT
From: VMS.HUJI.AC.IL!seran@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (ERAN MEGIDO)
Subject: Hard disk booting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones.
Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot
drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused
the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried
and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help.
The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working
and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the
thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with
a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put
in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully
entact.
I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not
partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible.
make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive
d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager
acceses.
Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c:
and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am
wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated.
Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And
is there also a way to do the same for aladin?
Thanks,
Eran..
(please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list
often)
SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
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Date: 1 Jun 91 22:42:53 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!well!fh@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn)
Subject: IMG gormat
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) writes:
>>1 word pixel width in microns (1/1000 mm, 25400 microns per inch)
>>1 word pixel height in microns
> Does most software actually take this into account for anything
>or can you leaave the pixel dimension 0?
No, do not do this. All programs that import .IMG images
should at least use these values to calculate the aspect ratio of the
picture. Our product, Wordflair II uses them if they seem reasonable to
display images correctly when the preserve aspect-ratio option is selected.
If you do not have any information about the original pixel size put in
something like 72dpi x 72dpi.
> No matter how you feel about the Amiga/Atari/Mac wars,
>the IMG "standard" just isn't sufficiently defined and has not real
>underlying rational.
You are probably right, but .IMG is the only format currently supported
by the GEM functions in the ATARI. So it will be around for quite some time
more. We should try to get all programs that support .IMG's to use them
cosistent, this would take care of at least some the problems that we are
having with .IMG's.
Fabian Hahn
Goldleaf Publishing, Inc.
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Date: 1 Jun 91 01:36:01 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@arizona.edu
(Adam David)
Subject: Lattice C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> I have been offered a 2nd hand copy of Lattice C version 5.
>Unfortunately the registration card has been sent in. Does
>anybody know what Lattice' policy is regarding transfer of
>registration (for updates and such)?
I would have thought that a written transfer of rights from the previous
licensee to the new one could be sent to Hisoft or their appointed agent
for changing the registration details. The person who originally sent in
the registration card will then be unable to claim any support because
he is no longer registered. It didn't ought to cost anything, did it?
--
Adam David.
(adamd@rhi.hi.is)
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Date: 1 Jun 91 13:35:22 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: Personal Pascal 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Personal Pascal 2 Question
""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I just read that HiSoft is going to drop Personal Pascal 2 and as
a true Personal Pascal lover I wondered about some things that I
think someone out on the net migth help with:
When I bought Personal Pascal 2 i got it with these program versions:
Gem shell 2.02 (the newest version of the whole package
Compiler 2.0 is 2.05 and I desperatly need this !!!!)
Linker 2.02
However - There is a bug i the Compiler that messes up something
with the GEM system. After x number of compilations everything
locks up. Even if I run the compiler only once som programs go
bananas afterward if I try to run them. If I run the compiler
without GEM (as a TOS program) this does not happend....
Is there anyone out there who knows WHERE I can get the NEWEST
versions of the GEM SHELL, the COMPILER and the LINKER. I know
there is a newer version of the compiler and I simply MUST have it.
I could ask HiSoft, but I won't switch to their new Pascal (to many
programs to convert and to expensive to buy a whole new system..)
Any help would be great !!!!
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 1 Jun 91 23:33:58 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.ed
u!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Personal Pascal 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <CMM.0.90.2.675783322.larserio@kvart.ifi.uio.no>, larserio@ifi.uio.no
writes:
>Personal Pascal 2 Question
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>I just read that HiSoft is going to drop Personal Pascal 2 and as
>a true Personal Pascal lover I wondered about some things that I
>think someone out on the net migth help with:
>
ICD distributes Personal Pascal. If you do find out anything about an upgrade
policy (or lack therein) could you please post or email me?
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 1 Jun 91 02:09:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_
Retelle@arizona.edu
Subject: Publishers (II)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
David Paschall-Zimbel writes:
>Not exactly true, Bob. ST Log was making money when it was folded into ANAL
>and was still making money when the publisher decided to discontinue publish
>the magazine. Likewise, STart's parent company was still making money from
>magazine --- it was 'killed' by cash draw-off to other publications within t
>same company (or so I am led to believe from the conflicting press reports t
>which I've had access.)
Well, from speaking with the editor and publisher of ANALOG/STlog, LFP, Inc.
was reluctant to put the kind of money into the publication that it would tak
to really promote it, given the ill health of the Atari marketplace (and that
was then... things have gotten steadily worse since..). Their Videogames
magazine was given plenty of support and is thriving today in the Nintendo/
Sega/NEC world. I don't recall specifically whether they said if STlog
was still making money when it was folded, but just taking a look at the last
issue demonstrates that they were in trouble. Much of the ad space was
ANALOG ads.. the actual number of advertisers was very small.. a very bad
sign.
Reports on CompuServe from Paul LeFevre of Antic indicate that STart had
been losing money steadily for months. The decision was finally made to
halt production and avoid any further losses. Again, taking a look at
the last issue, much of the advertising was from ANTIC itself, and you can't
pay the bills with free ads.
ST User and ST Format are nice, but have little to do with MY world, here
in the U.S. It's frustrating to read about products I either can't even
buy, or which have no local support, assuming I can find them. I've run
up some nice phone bills calling MirrorSoft in England because there is no
local support for their Atari products. Seeing their new programs in
English magazines does me little good at all.
BobR
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Date: 1 Jun 91 16:29:56 GMT
From: tellab5!chinet!saj@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Publishers (II)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>In article <42806@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>> You're seeing effects of the death of the Atari marketplace in the US.
Sick != dead. Atari US is still selling every machine they can get, with no
obvious sign that that's going to change. I sure don't know what software all
those machines are running, but there are pretty good numbers of them. Sick
I'll agree with readily: clearly, too sick to support a glossy magazine
devoted only to Atari computers. Sick implies 'might die', but it leaves open
the possibility 'might recover', too. I'll list some hopeful signs.
1)Atari Corp. has finally cleared away the wreckage of the Federated disaster.
2)The applications which look like the next corporate fads, DTP and combining
sound with animations (desktop multimedia) are better supported on Atari
hardware than the old fad applications (graphic spreadsheets and professional
wordprocessing) were.
3)The game machine segment doesn't seem to have any nasty surprises left.
4)Portfolio looks like a nice steady money generator, but its market niche has
become cut-throat enough that Atari is unlikely to put excessive (from an
ST fan's viewpoint) effort into follow-ons.
5)There's finally a commercial development system for the TT (Lattice).
You pays your money and acts accordingly. I know that a little fella has to
be nuts to try to crack the PC software market today. Mac is tough too, but
maybe possible. ST and Amiga are still at the stage where a good idea
(software or hardware) could be pushed with a limited budget, and have a chance
of making a profit. The biggest successes may go on to try other markets; at
least the foundation will be in place.
Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 1 Jun 91 22:50:24 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!well!fh@arizona.edu
(Fabian Hahn)
Subject: ST code or C source for uncompressing .hqx & .sit files: Wanted!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
redmond+@cs.cmu.edu (Redmond English) writes:
>I'd like to try converting some mac fonts to GDOS format, but all the
>ftp font archives have the mac fonts compressed using something that
>creates .sit and .hqx extensions.
There is a program called mcvert for unix that will convert .hqx files to
mac binarys. Once you are there you need some utility that will convert
the Mac fonts to GDOS format.
The .sit files are created by StuffIt!, the Mac equivalent to arc files. The
details for StuffIt! files are available, but I do not know of any
implementations on the ATARI. You might have to "unStuff" them on a
PC or a Mac.
Fabian
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Date: 1 Jun 91 20:12:56 GMT
From: nsc!pyramid!apalmer@hplabs.hp.com (Albert "Earthquake" Palmer)
Subject: TT/68882
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <27361@know.pws.bull.com> CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA writes:
>One netter asked if the TT includes the 68882; mine did and the TT manual
>stated that it is a TT standard feature, not an option. It has a clock
>speed of 32MHz, just like the 68030. The MegaSTE manual states that the
>68881 is an option. Note, for firm believers that Atari never delivers;
>THIS MESSAGE CREATED ON A TT. Now, if only the software base would
>expand (yeah, I know I can run Macware, after all I use GCR!!!!!).
This message is also being posted from a TT. My TT manual also stated that
I have a 68882, but Mac software says I have a 68881. Has anyone else
seen this? My machine came with TOS 3.01. I purchased it just 3 weeks
ago. I wish I knew why Atari is shipping machines with down rev TOS
and the wrong math co-processor. On a positive note, I love the new
desktop. I'm the legal owner of both DC Desktop and NeoDesk. Gribnif
lost me as a customer when they wanted more for the upgrade to 3.0 than
I could buy it mail order. I prefer the TT desktop.
The TT is fast and Mac/Spectre is even faster. (much Mac software uses
the 68881) I am very happy with the purchase. Both local stores are
sold out of TT and waiting for more from Atari. (B&C and SJC)
al palmer
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Date: 1 Jun 91 20:44 +0100
From: Robert Weissenfels <weissenfels@bauelemente.e-technik.uni-dortmund.dbp.de>
Subject: Weekly posting of new stuff
To: <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Hi there from outside the fast nets (only runnin' packet switched)
I'm getting some of the stuff, listed in the message by 'atari archive robot'
BUT NOT EVERY MESSAGE!! THAT IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!! <BIGFLAME>
Where can I get it from? I can't do ftp on my side, it's just mailing...
(Did you think, I couldn't do single line skips? ;-))
Please help
Robert
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