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Volume #8 Issue #1
January 2001
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Event: Mutual Dream Destination for January 15:
MLK Day, Montgomery, Alabama, USA.
++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing:
++ Article: The World of Online Dream Sharing:
Orientation Day.
With Richard Wilkerson
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Column: The Dream Doctor
By Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
++ Column: The DreamSpinner Column
Working Dreams With The Power Of Computers
6th Column: Following Metaphors Over Time
By Bjo Ashwill
++ Column: Exploring Dreaming through the I Ching
Hilary Barrett, Clarity
++ Article: Computer Dreams IV:
Dream Codes and Decoded Flows.
By Richard Wilkerson
G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats
NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES *
* DREAM CALENDAR for January 2000 & February * ASD News Update!
D R E A M S S E C T I O N :
This issue includes volume #42 #66
D E A D L I N E :
January 15, deadline for FEBURARY submissions
M.U.T.U.A.L D.R.E.A.M T.A.R.G.E.T
January 15, 2001 : Montgomery, Alabama, USA
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Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to:
Richard Wilkerson <rcwilk@dreamgate.com>
Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to:
Peggy Coats <pcoats@dreamtree.com>
Send Articles and Subscription concerns to:
Richard Wilkerson: <rcwilk@dreamgate.com>
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Editor's Notes
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So you just got a new America Online account or your kids talked
you into signing up with Pacific Bell or a local Internet Service
Provider? They want to you stay in touch, but you are interested
in dreams and dreaming. Where do you start? Where can you find
out what's going on? How can you join a dreamgroup? Who knows
what dream events are happening online and offline?
If you have found the Electric Dreams e-zine, your hardest task
is done. We provide a gateway to world of online dreams and we
have paved many of its roads. Dreamworkers and dream researchers
from around the world get together to provide you with dream
news, conference information, seminar and workshop listings, and
a wide variety of activities online, including dreamgroups, web
updates and special events.
If you are really new to online dreaming, please read the "The
World of Online Dreaming: Orientation Day" Here I cover the
basics about using the Electric Dreams community as your portal
to the many ways to share dreams online.
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So you have been around awhile. You have tried the dreamgroups
and maybe started a couple of your own. You have a website about
dreams and dreaming and want more attention for your projects.
Electric Dreams provides space for dreamworkers who have projects
and ideas they would like to get out to the public. If you have
a short news item, be sure to send those in by the 15th of each
new month to Peggy Coats at pcoats@dreamtree.com for inclusion
in the Global Dreaming News. Peggy posts the news on her site
and we publish it again here at Electric Dreams.
If you would like to submit an article, we allow contributors to
include a paragraph about their projects and products. If you
would like more information about sending in articles, you can
contact me or read the information at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/electric-dreams/publication.htm
So you have seen it all and done everything there is to do in
dreamwork. For you, Electric Dreams offers the further reaches of
dreamwork. On the outer edge, the community explores postmodern
dreamwork, transhumanist dreamwork, mutual dreaming, lucid
dreaming and psi dreaming. Imagine dreamwork at trans-warp drive
speeds. Open a sub-space portal and teledream though. A good
place to start here is with the dreamchatters@egroups.com list.
Stop by
http://www.egroups.com/group/dreamchatters for more
information.
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Bjo Ashwill returns this month to show yoiu how to use the
computer's power to store, group, analyze and retrieve
information from our dreams. The program she developed and uses,
the DreamSpinner, really shows off its power in working with long
"over time" dream series, although it can work with individual
dreams as well. How do metaphor patterns change over time? That
is the question that began her journey toward creating
DreamSpinner.
Charles McPhee returns to comment on dreams. If you haven't seen
his new Dream Doctor site, I recommend stopping by and adding
some dreams to the growing collection and special teen section!
http://www.dreamdoctor.com
This month's excerpt from Lucy Gillis's "Lucid Dream Exchange"
focuses on the power of naps, not only to restore our energy, but
to facilitate lucid dreaming experiences.
Hilary Barrett visits us this month from Clarity. Her article is
about the use of the I Ching with dreams. This ancient divination
and meditation method can be used in contemporary culture to give
meaning and value to the most obscure dreams. Please read her
work on "Exploring Dreams through the I Ching"
The Computer Dreams Project continues as people send in dreams
about computer related things and the digital revolution. I have
now included a new form that gathers personal data about these
digital dreamers and you are welcome to enter your computer
dreams there at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/computers/computerdreams.htm
I have added, along with the dreams, some novel speculations
about what may be happening as we switch from dreaming about dumb
machines to dreaming about smart machines, and just how the flow
of code and the decoded flows play out in dream time.
Be sure to read "Computer Dreams IV: Dream Codes and Decoded
Flows."
Ours news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has
gathered dreaming news from around the world, events,
conferences, seminars..... be sure to read what is both online
and offline has allowed us this month to include the ASD E-news
in place of the usual Global Dreaming News.
If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send
them to her at pcoats@dreamtree.com
What to send? Dream Conferences, seminars, lectures,
workshops, groups. If you want to review a dream website, send
that to her or if you find a new website or put one up yourself.
If you see great articles online about dreams and dreaming, send
those URL's and a short review. Perhaps you have read a new
dream book, or love an old classic in dreams and want to send in
a book review?
That's right, the Global Dreaming News has it all, and its
*your* news as well. Be a regular contributor and keep the dream
network humming with information.
Our Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been
organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to
look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of
dreamers in Cyberspace.
If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the cover is
at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers
-Richard Wilkerson
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Dream Airing:
News, Notes and Events
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Electric Dreams Articles Update:
Subject Search added to the Electric Dreams backissue articles.
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sent in from Hiroyuki Nishigaki,:
Newstips from my book
(1)Florida young woman prophetic dream(Nov 12th night): Mr.George
W. Bush wins,,,,,, the defect and good point of new US
President-like a young charming giant brown bear who has not
grown strong and sharp claws yet.
Holy spirit hints of odors of presidential election. It depends
upon which is stronger and more beautiful, efficient.
GEORGE W. BUSH /sacred yellow(young giant brown bear who has not
grown strong and sharp claws yet) VC ALBERT GORE /transparent and
nimble(old decent but tough lady),Clinton/green white + sacred
blue. I have written as follows in my 2 book (Rejuvenation and
Unveiled Hidden Phenix, How to Good-bye Depression) sold by
amazon.com (pub date: summer, 2000)-"Two kinds of holy spirits
have guarded Mr.,George W. Bush since last spring.The sacred
yellow holy spirit like Indian summer approached, touched him
last spring for the first time, and made him twinkle beautifully
and strongly.In addition, he had begun to climbed the tensed rope
which the universe hung over from the sky since last summer. But,
sometimes he was about to get down from it suddenly."
I was invited to the radio talk shows in Baltimore on Nov 10th
and in New York on Nov 1st, and talked about the above mentioned
subjects in my broken English.
Such a talk show got an encore and was rebroadcasted during the
presidential election. Many American seemed to feel amazing to
hear that Mr.George W.Bush looks like a young charming giant
brown bear who has not grown strong and sharp claws yet.
After all , Supreme Court played the part of strong sharp claws
in Presidential Election.Mr,George W .Bush's holy spirit is like
a young giant brown bear who has not grown strong and sharp claws
yet. But,Mr,George W .Bush's holy spirit is charming. It is his
defect and good point. Other people are inclined to want to help
him naturally. In other words ,such a charming is a hidden
different strong secret weapon.
The winner,Mr, George W. Bush should show the generosity over
Mr,Albert Gore(who failed to become the so-called pregnant
President after all) in turn.For example, he better treat him the
same as Japanese Emperor. Japanese Emperor has not power but
honor. Mr, George W. Bush and Congress can confer him with
honorable President for 4 years by law. Mr, George W. Bush gives
him a room in White House and often hear his advice. If he can
do so, he can heal the dislike(after the vote) for both of them
and deserve US President. To the contrary, I think Mr,Albert Gore
better become a drunken driver and be arrested by police once. If
he do so, he will be able to understand the hearts of losers and
of unfortunate people, and be able to hear others' opinions more
seriously and patiently. Then, he will be loved by more American
men and be elected the next next US President.
Miss, Loli (in Palm Beach county, Florida, U.S.A,
URL: http://www.geocities.com/loliemargaret ) dreamed about
Mr.George W.Bush as a bear on Nov 12th night. She had not heard
the radio talk shows. I am surprised at her excellent dreaming
ability.Her dream suggested that Mr.George W.Bush might become an
US President because the bear (Mr. Bush) did not drown in the
Florida Ocean and kept on floating.
At last, her prophetic dream has been proved correct.
<The whole personality of this bear is friendly, childlike, and
not too smart, like a
giant Winnie the Pooh. As it floats backwards, it floats out
over the ocean and then begins to descend. Mike says, "It's gonna
hit the water" and as he says this, it plops right into the
ocean, though the bear just floats, surprised, but unaffected>
Please, visit my site
(http://hometown.aol.com/nishigaki2/index.htm, title: About the
Holy Spirit of US President) if you want to know more.
PS: Needless to say, it is OK with me that you will amend or edit
these more decently or humorously following your thoughts if you
want to share these with other people.
Hiroyuki Nishigaki,
in Japan, author, How to Good-bye Depression,
on air at 13 radio talk shows in America,
E-mail: fwng8854@nifty.com /
Web: http://hometown.aol.com/nishigaki3/index.htm
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Mutual Dream Destination, January 15, 2001
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January 15th is Martin Luther King Day here in the States and I
thought that would be a good day to have a mutual dream to meet
at the memorial designed by Maya Lin in Montgomery, Alabama.
The MLK theme this year is "A Day On, Not A Day Off"
Be sure to go online a see this memorial before going to bed.
http://www.c-span.org/majicbus/033105.jpg
Can this really happen? What about different time zones?
OK, don't get overload by consensus reality. First, yes, people
often have dreams where upon awakening they find out that someone
else had the dream too. We just boost this process by lending a
conscious intention to the game. It doesn't really matter if you
dream of Florida tonight after reading this, or on the specific
date set out. We don't put that kind of linear time requirement
on this game. We are not trying to determine if we "really had
the same dream" or "really were there together". Let's just say
that to some degree, imaginal, psychic, cosmic, or comic, if we
dream about similar things, we do share those images and in a
sense, we were both there.
You can share them on Dreamchatters or Dreamshare, two
www.egroups.com discussion lists, or you can send to Judith
<comadre@eGroups.com> and indicate whether you are comfortable
posting them to the Dreamshare conference.
About Mutual Dreaming: See Linda Magallon's Mutual Dreaming FAQ:
http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/mutualdreaming.html#ancho
r456487
Where would *you* like to meet in the future?
Contact Judith
E-mail : coamdre@mindspring.com
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The World of Online Dream Sharing:
Orientation Day.
With Richard Wilkerson
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If you are new to the world of online dreaming, this article is
for you. The hardest part is over, finding Electric Dreams.
I've included information below that covers a lot of the
questions people ask about dreaming online, and I also wanted to
bring your attention to our dream groups.
As an editor for Electric Dreams e-zine I am often asked :
"So what's the Scoop on dreams & dreaming online?"
It getting harder and harder to summarize as new technologies
proliferates cross media presentations of dream journals, dream
groups, dream libraries, dream art galleries and other dream
inspired events and venues.
My general feeling is one of excitement. Everything is new and in
process of experimentation. At Electric Dreams we want
everyone's vision to count. Here is the scoop from my
perspective:
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TOPICS
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=* What does my dream mean?
=* Electric Dreams dream sharing Ezine
& the Global Dreaming News : Monthly articles, news,
dreams, comments, interviews, more.
=* Dream Sharing Groups online:
Small, in-depth dream sharing.
=* Dream-Flow: Submit dreams and comments for distribution.
=* Cyberdreams and DreamChatters discussion forums
=* Dreamworkers Online Project
=* Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD]
=* Dream Sharing in Cyberspace - Web site
=* Other Dreaming projects on the Net - Links
Electric Dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
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=* What does my dream mean?
Well, ok, we couldn't tell you EVERYTHING in the orientation
and we will save the answer to this question for next month. If
you can't wait, subscribe to
Dreamchatters-subscribe@egroups.com
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ELECTRIC DREAMS Monthly Dream sharing e-zine - If you are
interested in how dream sharing is working on the Net, and want
the latest Net news, and a forum for asking questions about
dreams and dreaming or discussing you own views, I suggest a free
subscription to the our community Magazine. Monthly. We don't
pretend to be authorities, but we are continually curious about
how the dream movement is evolving both offline and online.
Just send an e-mail to
TO: electric-dreams-subscribe@egroups.com
SUBJECT: (anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB
ME if you want)
BODY:(anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB ME if
you want)
Send dreams for (anonymous) comment and publication at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/
Yes, we see your dreams a valid literature worth publishing. And
like all literature, we value literary criticism and publish
comments on dreams as well. Are dreams psychological, spiritual,
poetic, political or just plain nonsense? Tell us your thoughts.
Issues come about every month - dreams, news, projects, articles,
ect.
If you have a web browser you can find us at:
USA Homepage and Electric Dreams Clubhouse:
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
or the latest issue is always available at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/
The articles from back issues are collected at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/
=* GLOBAL DREAMING NEWS: This comes with an Electric Dreams
Subscription, and is about workshops, conventions, Web pages,
events and other news-worthy dream stuff. Director: Peggy Coats,
e-mail pcoats@dreamtree.com
The News is in each issue of Electric Dreams and also posted
independently around the Net. Get your projects and
announcements in each month.
Think Global, Act Local
We would like everyone interested in becoming a local reporter or
representative of your area, be that geographic or some part of
cyberspace. We are always interested in what particular
commercial online servers (like aol, compuserve, microsoft, ect)
are offering and like to put reports out when we can - please
help us out by sending local information or posting Electric
Dreams or Global Dreaming News on yourServer/Host. Send to Peggy
Coats
pcoats@dreamtree.com
Visit the Mirror News site at:
http://dreamtree.com/Questions/News/news.html
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DREAM-FLOW
People from around the world submit dreams to the dream flow.
These dreams are distributed around on various lists, and they
are published anonymously with comments once a month on Electric
Dreams. It's kind of like a literary project of dream stories.
Fill in the form at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/
If you would like to submit dreams directly or daily into the
mail list DREAM-FLOW send an e-mail
To: dream-flow-subscribe@egroups.com
SUBJECT: (anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB
ME if you want)
IN BODY : (anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB
ME if you want)
Then simply send your dreams to dream-flow@egroups.com on a
daily, weekly or monthly basis.
All dreams are considered to be anonymous unless clearly
indicated otherwise. That means we remove any last names and e-
mail before publishing on the monthly E-zine, Electric Dreams.
For an archive of ed-core go to
http://www.egroups.com/group/dream-flow/
http://jab.org/mail/dream-flow@lists.best.com/
http://jab.org/mail/ed-core@lists.best.com/
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DREAM SHARING GROUPS
=* DREAMWHEEL: About every two weeks we begin a new groups.
Usually 4-6 people per
group and they last about a couple weeks - usually email. We
share 2 or 3 dreams, ask questions,
make comments and keep fairly close to the "If this were my
dream..." style.
To join, send an e-mail to :
TO: dreamwheel-subscribe@egroups.com
SUBJECT: (anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB
ME if you want)
BODY:(anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB ME if
you want)
You can sign up anonymously or not, as you wish.
The DreamWheel follows the guideline of ethical conduct set forth
by the Association for the Study of Dreams.
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Dreamwork Ethics Statement
All participants are obliged to adhere to the ethical standards
established by the Electric Dreams community:
The Electric Dreams community celebrates the many benefits of
dreamwork, yet recognizes that there are potential risks. We
agree with the ethical position taken by the Association for the
Study of Dreams (http://www.asdream.org), in that we support an
approach to dreamwork and dream sharing that respects the
dreamer's dignity and integrity, and which recognizes the dreamer
as the decision-maker regarding the significance of the dream.
Systems of dreamwork that assign authority or knowledge of the
dream's meanings to someone other than the dreamer can be
misleading, incorrect, and harmful. Ethical dreamwork helps the
dreamer work with his/her own dream images, feelings, and
associations, and guides the dreamer to more fully experience,
appreciate, and understand the dream.
Every dream may have multiple meanings, and different techniques
may be reasonably employed to touch these multiple layers of
significance. A dreamer's decision to share or discontinue
sharing a dream should always be respected and honored. The
dreamer should be forewarned that unexpected issues or emotions
may arise in the course of the dreamwork. Information and mutual
agreement about the degree of privacy and confidentiality are
essential ingredients in creating a safe atmosphere for dream
sharing.
Dreamwork outside a clinical setting is not a substitute for
psychotherapy, or other professional treatment, and should not be
used as such.
We recognize and respect that there are many valid and time-
honored dreamwork traditions. We invite and welcome the
participation of dreamers from all cultures. There are social,
cultural, and transpersonal aspects to dream experience. In this
statement we do not mean to imply that the only valid approach to
dreamwork focuses on the dreamer's personal life. Our purpose is
to honor and respect the person of the dreamer as well as the
dream itself, regardless of how the relationship between the two
may be understood.
The Electric Dreams Community, March 2000
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MORE on the DreamWheel: Instructions come with every phase of
the group from a group moderator. Dreams are send in to the
moderator and put on the list. We go through the dreams as a
group one by one. The first phase is the question phase, asking
non-defensive clarification questions of the dreamer, who may or
may not respond as they chose. Then in the comment phase each
person in the group takes the dream as if it were their own. The
process is non-defensive, fun and very revealing.
The process is modeled on the work of John Herbert, Richard
Wilkerson and other. For sample sessions of the group see
Sample Session - Herbert
http://users.aol.com/john0417/dmgp/dg16.html
Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson & Hicks)
http://www.asdreams.org/asd-13/2lb12.htm
Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson -Coins of
Life)
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed5-9.txt
Sample Session - Electric Dreams DreamWheel (Wilkerson - Dreaming
with Serbia)
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/serbia
For more information, send and email to the autoresponder at
edreams@dreamgate.com
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=* eDreams: eDreams is an online dream group conducted via
email, and intended for "dedicated dreamers" who already have
experience working with dreams - especially those individuals who
have spent some time participating in the DreamWheel online dream
group. In eDreams, we spend a bit longer with each dream and
really plumb the depths.
To join, send an e-mail to :
TO: e_d_r_e_a_m_s-subscribe@egroups.com
SUBJECT: (anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB
ME if you want)
BODY:(anything on this line, its not read - you can put SUB ME if
you want)
You can sign up anonymously or not, as you wish.
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DREAMCHATTERS - Victoria Quinton hosts a mail list about dreams
and dreaming which has some of the most famous dreamworkers in
the world visiting.
You can subscribe by sending an email to:
TO:
dreamchatters-subscribe@eGroups.com
NEW DREAM SHARING eLISTS - Many site now allow you to create your
own Internet Mail Lists. We have given a summary of these in
Electric Dreams March 1999, volume 6 issue 3 see
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/
DREAMWORKERS ONLINE PROJECT - If you are already a dream worker,
researcher, artist or otherwise involved with dreams, we have a
project designed to get you attention and
connection to the community of dreams. Contact Richard
Wilkerson rcwilk@dreamgate.com
and send your profile and contact addresses if possible.
CYBERDREAMS: This is an unmoderated forum, open to discussion on
all aspects of dream theory and practice. This list is sponsored
by the Intuition Network http://www.intuition.org and DreamGate
http://www.dreamgate.com
Home Page INFO:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/cyberdreams/
OTHER DREAM PROJECTS ON THE NET: Too many to list here, but I
try to keep track of them via three main sources. The first is
the Cyber-dream library
Cyber-Dream Library
www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/
Or if you like annotated lists of links
we have a fabulous Dream Resources Page
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
See below for a list of Catagories
DREAM SHARING IN CYBERSPACE
and an online History of Dreams in Cyberspace site I submit to
review once a year for the Association for the Study of Dreams,
but is up all year long.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/history
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Still feel lost? I offer a course once a month that covers the
full history of dreamwork. It's a fee class, and well worth every
penny. For more information go to:
To see the course outline or sign up for the class stop by
http://www.dreamgate.com/class
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SUMMARY of suggestions on plugging in to online dreaming:
My suggestion is to just jump in, taste what is going on
locate the scents that appeal to you.
Join an email dream group. Post a Dream anonymously to a public
bulletin board. Ask a web site to post your art. Upload your own
dream bibliography to the cyber-dream library. Start a fight
about dream interpretation on the ASD Message Board or Usenet
Newsgroup. Send in a dream to Electric Dreams, or an article you
always wanted to write but thought was too controversial or
weird. Read an article on lucid dreaming at the Lucidity
Institute. Start your own Dream Web site or eList for discussions
and dream sharing. Join ASD, find all the great educational
materials online.
The Electric Dreams community is online to help you get out to
the public your own dream vision. Plus we like to have a lot of
fun. We have been doing this since 1994.
1. Subscribe to Electric Dreams
2. Send in dreams or articles on topics in dreaming
3. Send in Dream News items to Peggy Coats pcoates@dreamtree.com
4. Sign up for an Electric Dreams/DreamGate sponsored dream
group.
5. Explore other sites online via the ED link page
6. Send me a summary of your interests in dreaming so I can
connect you with the folks who are knowledgeable in that area.
7. Sign up to chat with us on Victoria Quinton's DreamChatters
list
http://www.egroups.com/group/dreamchatters
THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUDY OF DREAMS
http://www.asdreams.org
I also recommend for serious dream folks, that you become a
member of ASD, the Association for the Study of Dreams. This
international non-profit provides a fabulous conference each
year, and you get substantial discounts as a member. Also, you
will get the quarterly Dream Time Magazine and the peer reviewed
scholastic Dreaming Journal. for more see
http://www.asdreams.org
You can discuss dream topics (but NOT personal dreams or
interpretations of personal dreams) on the ASD Bulletin Board and
in the new E-Study groups. There are many articles online about
dreams and dreaming from the peer reviewed journal Dreaming, as
well as the more popular Dream Time magazine.
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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With the holiday season upon us many of us are often caught up in
entertaining, decorating, baking, mailing parcels, traveling, and
of course, shopping, shopping, shopping. All this activity can
take it's toll. And what better time to take naps when we can to
recharge our batteries.
And...as many lucid dreamers know, naps provide an excellent
boost to lucid dreaming as well.
Studies conducted at the Lucidity Institute show that napping
(particularly morning napping) increases the likelihood of having
a lucid dream. (See: NL6.3 "An Hour of Wakefulness Before
Morning Naps Makes Lucidity More Likely" by Stephen LaBerge,
Leslie Phillips, and Lynne Levitan on the Lucidity Institute
website: www.lucidity.com.)
This month's excerpt demonstrates the "power of naps."
Quentin
9-5-00 apx. 9:30 a.m.
The power of naps?!
I just had a powerful lucid dream. after taking a nap this
morning! I have heard that naps are good for lucid dreaming and
now I have experienced it first-hand. I got up at 5:30am this
morning to go play basketball at an open gym at a college with
some friends as I normally do on Tuesdays & Thursdays. The gym
happened to be filled with assembly
stuff so we couldn't play. I went to Denny's to have breakfast
(omelet and coffee) and came home and messed around on the
Internet for awhile, then took a nap. At first my mind was too
'wired' (active) to sleep but I started concentrating on dream
imagery - I was preoccupied with daily life concerns when all of
a sudden an image of a goofy-looking old woman popped into my
mind and it became easier to focus on imagery which led me into
sleep. (You know, I was considering not playing basketball so
early in the morning so that I could sleep longer and get more
chances for lucid dreams, but now that I have discovered the
power of naps I will continue this routine!). The quality of
this lucid dream seemed so much more potent than average. When I
woke up I was re-inspired about the thrill of lucidity in dreams
and felt more encouraged about the possibilities and hopes of
what I might be able to accomplish through them or glean from
them.
In this dream, I was in my house and my Dad was busy moving next
door (as he is actually in the process of doing). But I knew
that the surroundings didn't look quite the same as normal and I
figured that I was dreaming, but it was so realistic that I had
to make sure. I didn't want to do a dream check in front of my
dad so I went into the next room. I looked around for a moment
and focused on a cupboard door and decided that I would see if I
could move it with my mind - it was easy! So at this point I
'knew' that I was dreaming and started walking through the house
to explore. I came into a dark room where I could make out a
black man sitting down in a chair. I went over to him and sat in
a chair next to him. Then I asked him if he knew how I might be
able to find my soulmate, and then I quit talking so as not to
jeopardize my lucid state. I also noticed that there was a white
guy with glasses sitting on the other side of him. The black man
took me seriously as if he had the answer for me and went into
explaining it as if he were giving me directions to my soulmate's
residence-but the only thing that I could gather was something
about 2nd street and #833. Then he turned into a black dog, so I
petted him on the head and went outside to leave. I looked up
into the dark night and proceeded to fly. It was easy, too.
There was an upside-down castle in the sky (I think it was red
and white) and I proceeded to fly to it. I got to it but then my
dream ended up fading for I had run out of dream energy.
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submitted by readers. For further information contact Lucy
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The Dream Doctor
Charles McPhee, Ph.D.
http://www.dreamdoctor.com
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"The Vampire Affair"
Dear Dream Doctor
I am 26 years old, happily married for two years, and my husband
and I just had a baby boy (he's 8 months now). By the way, he is
the light of my life. Before our son, I was an accountant, and
now I'm a stay-at-home mommy/housewife. I absolutely love every
minute of it. My husband is a VP of a large Internet provider
company (he's 28 years of age) and we're still madly in love!
He's my best friend as well.
I've had this dream every single night going on a whole week as
of last night. Actually every night has a different version, but
they're pretty much the same events. I've been dreaming about a
Vampire. He visits me every night and we're friends, but I tell
him constantly that I don't want to become "one" of his kind.
The first dream I was hosting a party and all of a sudden my
guests were all vampires. I immediately asked everyone to leave.
Then the leader (I have a clear image of his face, but no idea
who he is he doesn't even remind me of anyone I know in real
life) came up to me and was extremely nice about the whole
situation. I was polite, but firm. I ran into my son's room and
grabbed him out of the crib. I tried to hide him in numerous
places but every time I thought he was safe, he'd squirm out and
start smiling at me. The Vampire then came into my son's room and
asked me who was hiding in here. I ran over and picked up my son
and held on tightly while the Vampire was trying to take him from
me. I awoke to hear my son in his room crying (and he was also
crying in my dream).
The next five were pretty much the same, except that most of them
took place in my old house that I grew up in (from 2 weeks old
until 18 years, when I went to college out of state). They all
ended with him about to bite my neck.
The last dream (last night) was bizarre. I've never had
consecutive dreams before, and I know there has to be meaning to
this. I dreamed that Sarah Jessica Parker and I were best
friends. (Don't ask me! I adore her, but I've never had a
"celebrity" in my dream!) Anyhow, we were gallivanting around
town having a great time when the Vampire shows up again. This
time he asked me to join him in Hawaii. (That's where my husband
and I honeymooned in real life) I told him, "No" and Sarah just
said, "Oh, of course. You guys can stay in my place." I was
shaking my head and mouthing "No" to her behind his back.
She said, well then, let's all just go to a movie. So we're all
in the car (I'm driving) and he's in the back seat. He leans up
behind Sarah, shoves a spackling tool into her mouth and it kills
her instantly. I just started screaming, "No! Why did you kill
her? She was so nice to you!" The dream ended when he just
reaches over the seat and is about to bite my neck.
I told you it was bizarre! I've never dreamed about vampires
before either. That's why I'm so boggled. I even have a dream
dictionary, but it tells me nothing.
Tracie, Married, Female, Age 26, GA, USA
Hi Tracie
Vampires in dreams are transition symbols, because once you get
bitten by one, you become a vampire yourself. For this reason,
and because when they bite us they draw blood, vampires also are
symbols of sexual transition. For example, vampires frequently
appear in the dreams of young women, who are anticipating, with
either fear or excitement, losing their virginity. (Blood will be
drawn, and the dreamer will become "like a vampire," i.e., a non-
virgin.) Accordingly, I am curious whether someone you know has
been flirting with you or has suggested that you initiate an
illicit affair? Or, conversely, did a girlfriend recently confess
to an affair? And did this make you curious, and feel troubled,
at the same time?
In the first dream you are hosting a party for your friends when
suddenly you recognize that they "all" are vampires. The sexual
metaphor suggested by this dream is that the opportunity exists
for you to make the transition from being faithful and monogamous
with your husband, to "joining the ranks" of couples who have
affairs. It is clear from your dream that you are not interested
(you politely and firmly tell the vampires to leave) and your
commitment to your relationship with your husband, represented by
your desire to protect your child, is indicated.
In your most recent dream, Sarah Jessica Parker, the star of the
television show "Sex in the City," is your "best friend."
Significantly, the character Sarah Jessica Parker plays in the
show is associated with sequential romantic partners, and with
guilt-free sexual exploration and curiosity. Your identification
with her in the latest dream suggests a curiosity and receptivity
(you are "best friends") to aspects of the lifestyle she portrays
in this show. Nevertheless, the dream makes it clear that your
association to Sarah's lifestyle is curiosity and frivolity. When
the vampire requests your presence in Hawaii (a symbolic allusion
to breaking your wedding vows) you firmly decline. This time,
however, the vampire kills Sarah Jessica Parker, and is about to
bite your neck when you wake up. Is the message of this dream
that flirting can have dangerous consequences?
Please write us back, and supply all the missing details!
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The DreamSpinner Column
Working Dreams With The Power Of Computers
6th Column: Following Metaphors Over Time
By Bjo Ashwill
http://www.spinner-soft.com
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Hi, Electric Dreamers. I am Bjo Ashwill and am writing a monthly
column on my experiences of creating a computer software program
that does very detailed analysis of dream narratives. You are
welcome to visit my web site and check out DreamSpinner, the
software program I will be describing. http://www.spinner-
soft.com. The site was recently revised and is full of exciting
interactive things you can do. Check us out!
In this column I shall describe, over time, how to use the
computer's power to store, group, analyze and retrieve
information from our dreams. DreamSpinner's greatest power is
working with long "over time" dream series, although it can work
with individual dreams as well. How do metaphor patterns change
over time? That is the question that began my journey toward
creating DreamSpinner.
The first step to examining Dream Sets over time is to run a
quick count of how many dreams per year (or any set of dates you
choose) that contain the metaphor word or words you are searching
for. This gives a quick over view of whether or not a continuing
psychological interest in a particular metaphor exists. In
addition it shows how much the intensity is over time.
It is possible to look at specific dates, for example all dreams
that happened on my birthday or Christmas, or important death
anniversary. It is possible to look at dreams per day or week, as
well as per year.
Using my own dream series, I will give you a few examples. I
chose the 8 different years which have the same amount of linked
dreams in them.
In 1000 linked dreams, All Water dreams (dreams with any of more
than 100 words linked to the Water category) were 293. (29.3% of
all dreams linked.)
In 1998, There are 34 of the 100 linked Water dreams.
1996 25 out of 100
1995 30 out of 100
1994 31 out of 100
1989 22 out of 100
1988 24 out of 100
1985 32 out of 100
1984 38 out of 100
Since the "All Water" dream set is nearly 1/3 of the total linked
dreams, it would make sense that it would be a fairly consistent
number of dreams per year. It is not, however evenly consistent.
Dreams containing any form of water was highest in the year 1984.
And lowest in 1989 Does that tell us anything? Only that Water,
as a metaphor is more important in 1984 and less important in
1989. That points me in a direction. I would probably focus my
research first on those two years.
In the dream set "Rivers":
There was a total of 38 out of 1000 linked dreams.
1998 4
1996 2
1995 5
1994 4
1989 4
1988 5
1985 4
1984 6
I would have expected there to be more rivers in 1984 because
there were more "All Water" dreams I would also have expected
1989 to have the lowest "River" count. In fact, I would have
been half right. 1984 did have the highest count. However, 1996,
not 1989 had the lowest count. So, it seems the subsets of dreams
do not follow the main pattern of the general dream set it came
from. Again, I now have a directed idea of where to go look for
specific changes in dream sets as they are compared to the base
set of "All Dreams".
To get to the more specific details of what patterns are higher
or lower in those dream sets, we go to the word frequency counts
of the dream set, and compare how the patterns shift by year.
It is beyond the scope of this article to show all the patterns
that change over time, because there are over one thousand
categories and 15,000 individual words to be examined. So I shall
choose a few examples and show how they changed over time.
Dream Set Daughter "D" Daughter "J" Daughter "M"
Total 1202 36 32 64
1998 100 1 0 6
1996 100 0 1 4
1995 100 1 0 7
1994 100 6 4 8
1989 100 0 0 7
1988 100 2 4 8
1985 100 6 4 6
1984 100 8 5 6
There are obvious changes in patterns from year to year. In
general, Daughter "M" figures in the dreams twice as often as the
other two daughters. However, year by year indicates a shift of
frequency for each daughter. 1984 was a big "daughter" year,
daughter "D" in particular. 1996 was the lowest amount of
daughter dreams. Again, this information would prompt me to look
at those two years and create dream sets for each daughter. When
I look at the frequency counts for daughter "M" for example, in
1984, I will find other patterns which will help me understand
better what my issues with daughter "M" are and how her character
might be representing what part of myself.
Here is a small excerpt from the category list in DreamSpinner in
the character identity section. This excerpt is from the All
Dreams in 1998 dream set. The number of dreams refers to how many
dreams that contain the search criteria are in the dream sets.
The percent refers to the percentage of those number of dreams in
relation to how many total dreams were in the category label
before it (The Parent category) For example: The parent category
for Immediate Family Members is Character's Identity. Then the
"Immediate Family Members is the parent category of Brother,
Daughter, Father and so on. "Brother" is the parent category of
"Oldest Brother" and "General Brother".
The HP factor is a statistical computation of the differences
between the percentages of the two dream sets, since percentages
are weighted differently depending on where in the range it
comes. For example: The small percentages at either end of the
scale (0-7 or 93-100) are weighted more heavily and they have
more statistical relevance.
Category # of dreams % # of dreams % HP Factor
All Dreams "All dreams 1998"
Immediate
Family Members 629 9% 47 7% -0.073
Brother 73 12% 10 21% 0.245
Oldest Brother 35 48% 3 30 -0.372
General Brother 14 19 4 40 0.467
(This tells me that my oldest brother in 1998 was dreamt of much
less than in the base set "All Dreams" However, the concept of
brother was represented far more often in 1998 than in the base
set. This tickles my curiosity. So, in this year, maybe I am
working more on issues related to the concept of brotherly
relationships. Now I'd want to create a dream set "General
brother" and look for what patterns shift there. I'd then want to
call up those dreams and examine them all for how that
relationship is played out in
the dreams.)
Daughter 195 31 8 17 -0.331
D 36 18 1 13 -0.138
J 32 16 0 0 -0.823
M 64 33 6 75 0.87
Family Members 45 7 8 17 0.314
Father 77 12 5 11 -0.031
Husband 82 13 4 9 -0.129
Mother 83 13 4 9 -0.129
(Notice how the numbers for Husband and Mother are very similar.
Makes me wonder if the adage is right that we "marry our Mothers"
in terms of similar issues and behaviors.)
Parents 22 3 4 9 0.261
Sister 33 5 3 6 0.044
Known People 666 10 54 8 -0.07
Acquaintance 83 12 1 2 -0.423
(I find this number very interesting. In All Dreams Set,
Acquaintances were 12% of Known people. In the 1998 dream set,
only 2%; a significant drop in
that year. (The negative sign on the HP factor indicates a drop
in percentages for that category. Without the negative sign, the
number is a positive, indicating an increase in activity for that
category. Any number above 0.1 indicates a significant difference
and therefore more prone to be relevant. The HP factor number for
the category Known People only dropped 2% and is therefore
relatively the same, not significantly relevant as a change.)
Client/Student 9 1 0 0 -0.2
Close Friend 216 32 27 50 0.368
(So, while the Acquaintances and Client/Student population
lessened in the dreams in 1998, the category of Close Friend
increased very significantly. I would be curious then to look to
other years to see if this pattern is for this year only. Then
I'd create the dream set "Close Friends" and examine those
patterns. From there I'll find out which Close Friends are more
significant and make dream sets for the one or ones that have a
strong increase from the base set.)
Co Worker 133 20% 8 15% -0.132
Friend 80 12 8 15 0.088
Known Profssnl 36 5 3 6 0.044
Romantic Intrs 85 13 2 4 -0.335
(Hummmmm. I'd definitely check this one out. What happened in
1998 that they significantly disappeared?)
The category information goes on for pages. Perhaps you are all
lucky that I send this article in text format, so it won't hold
tables. I had to retabulate the format by hand. Hence, you do not
see pages and pages of these patterns. I hope this has given you
some idea of how to examine dreams over time in DreamSpinner.
I want to point out here that the finding of these numbers is
only to get to the questions, and therefore the insights. Finding
significant increases or decreases in what I dream about makes me
wonder why. This leads me back to the making of smaller more
specific dream sets which gives me more interesting patterns. I
then take this all to the dreams themselves, now that I have some
directions and ideas of what might be going on. Things I would
not perhaps have asked myself about these dreams before observing
the frequency patterns.
Be sure to visit the DreamSpinner Website (www.spinner-
soft.com). I'd sure appreciate people who are willing to leave
their dreams in the database, leave comments for other dreamers
on their dreams, and use the message board.
You are now able to:
1. Enter your dreams into the Website database.
2. Search dreams based on words or phrases and examine that
dream set.
3. Hook metaphors and themes to your dreams.
4. Call up a metaphor or theme set of dreams and examine them.
5. Write and read comments on dreams, metaphors and themes.
6. Write poetry or rewrite your dream and hook the work to your
dream.
7. Use the DreamSpinner Bulletin board to connect and discuss
any dreams issues.
8. Articles of interest on various Dream Topics. You are
encouraged to submit articles of your own.
9. And of course, download a free 30 day trial demo of
DreamSpinner.
DreamSpinner has been revised so it works with all versions of
Microsoft Word. You still need a PC, but, you are no longer held
to the restriction of only using Word 95.
See you next month.
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Exploring Dreams through the I Ching
Hilary Barrett, Clarity
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 From: Anonymous
Subject: Two Snakes in the Grass
I was outside and the sun was shining through tree branches
somewhere above me. I remember, these sunny dappled spots had a
beautiful yellow warmth to them, but I felt hopelessly fearful of
something ahead of me. I began to walk toward a dry dirt and
gravel path that wound through cool, lush greenery. It became
apparent to me that I was back in Kenya, walking through, I can
only imagine, a section of the national game park. I knew there
was a nest of vipers to my right, in a bunch of long lemon grass,
but I continued to walk toward and over the dirt path. As I
neared the clump of lemon grass, I saw two huge vipers, probably
8ft each, lying in the sun. As I passed them they both attacked
me. One bit me on my right wrist, and the other latched onto my
face, just below my left cheek. Their teeth were very large and
seemed blunt, and the pressure the teeth placed on my skin was
apparent. Both vipers latched onto me and hung on my body and I
felt that they were not injecting poison, but rather sucking
something out of me, all the while I fought to get them off of my
body. I noticed the size of the heads, they were also very large
and heart shaped, as with most poisonous snakes. I could see
every scale on their head in great detail. I also remember, the
snakes were very dry. I finally tore them away. After I got
them off of me, I noticed the gaping wounds they had left on my
body. The wound on my arm went from my wrist to my forearm and
the flesh was torn and flapping. I did not bleed very much. I
looked into the wound but could not see bone, only tendons and a
small bit of something, I couldn't tell what. I pulled on the
unidentified tissue and i felt the muscle attached to my upper
forearm pull with it, so I concluded it had to be my muscle, I
left it hanging there while I explored the wound on my face. As
my attention moved to my face, it felt as though I was looking at
it in a mirror. The skin was, once again, horribly torn and
flapping and a large section of my face was missing. As I spread
the skin folds aside, I could not see any skull, only smooth
muscle and skin tissue. It was horrible! I felt very helpless.
Throughout the dream I felt a strong sense of hopelessness. I
felt that although I knew what had happened was terrible, I could
not do anything about it but I wished I could. For some reason
this dream has really bothered me, I would very much appreciate
any interpretations available, anything to begin to understand
what it might mean. Thank you.
The I Ching's answer: Dangerous Learning
Your instinctive reaction is absolutely right: this is an
important dream, and a disturbing one. In a vast, untamed place,
elemental forces attack you, and you feel helpless. The I Ching's
depiction of the dream acknowledges both its mood and its
importance: it begins with Hexagram 29, Double Chasm, the
hexagram of danger, darkness and exposure. But it places this
danger in the context of Hexagram 4, Learning...
Hexagram 4 speaks to you with the voice of a teacher: 'Learning,
growth. I do not seek the young learner, the
young learner seeks me. To ask once brings you insight; to ask
two or three times brings only confusion, not insight. You
benefit from determination.' This brings out the significance of
the snakes in your dream, representing the dangers of knowledge
(a snake brought the knowledge that saw Adam and Eve expelled
from Eden) and also transformation and renewal: snakes shed their
skin. In Learning, the wise teacher will not volunteer answers
until you can ask the right questions with understanding. At
times of great growth and change, you may have to accept that
some things are still concealed from you, and nurture their
growth in the darkness. Learning is an honourable position - a
sign that you have begun to grow. This offers you a role in which
to begin to relate to your dreams.
But the snakes of your dream do not shed their own skin; they are
brutal, wild messengers of change, and they tear away your
protective covering. Learning is combined with danger, the Chasm.
This is where you find yourself at the very beginning of the
dream. The sun is warm and bright above, but you are in the
shade, with fear and danger. 'Light above, chasm below': this is
how the I Ching contrasts hexagrams 29 and 30. It suggests you
have fallen into this dark place from Hexagram 28, Great Excess:
something has been bearing a great weight, and when it buckled
under the strain, you fell into the unknown. The Chasm is the
hexagram of the unconscious.
'Double chasm. There is sincerity, connection to spirit. Holding
to your heart. Growing. Moving on brings honour.'
Danger concentrates the mind: it demands that your essence become
active, and makes you more intensely yourself. This is also the
hexagram of flowing water, that runs fastest in deep chasms. It
calls you to be committed, to take risks. There are two snakes in
the dream, just as the Chasm is doubled. This repetition suggests
a chance to learn: this imperative will return again and again
until you can confront it with steadfastness. The snakes reveal
what you are made of by tearing away your skin, and their heart-
shaped heads remind you that your inmost self is involved. The
wounds they inflict force you to look beneath the skin.
The Chasm represents both a deep pit, where you can be trapped,
and also water as it flows fast through a chasm, with total
commitment. Both of these aspects represent danger, but they
suggest two very different ways of
imagining it - that is, of incorporating and dealing with it. The
I Ching stresses the importance of flowing through: 'water flows
and fills, not accumulating but running. Pass through dangerous
places; never lose self-confidence. Rely on heart and mind.' Yet
your dream is overwhelmingly dry: the path, the skin of the
snakes, the almost bloodless wounds. And you feel anything but
confident.
The pervading feeling of the dream is expressed in moving line 6:
'Tied with stranded ropes. Banished to the dense thorn trees. You
can accomplish nothing for three years. Pitfall.' The thorn
bushes were the place for prisoners, people who were judged and
condemned and could do nothing to help themselves. Even if they
could get free of the ropes (snakes?), they would still be
horribly wounded. The question is whether this role of victim is
inevitable - do you have to be immobilized and disempowered? This
line points to hexagram 59, Dispersing, which suggests that there
is a way through. It shows ice being broken, obstacles dispersing
like clouds, so that there can be free communication with spirit.
There is an alternative to being a victim. It is represented by
the other moving line in your answer: 'The chasm is not
overflowing, just calmly filled to the top. There is nothing
wrong.' Running water cannot be captured for ever by a pit,
though it must fill it before it can flow on. This is another way
of being and coping with danger, with the patience and strength
of flowing water. This line points to hexagram 7, Army, where the
strength of the army is likened to underground water: hidden,
powerful resources. Pour yourself out and fill the chasm: give
the spirits of earth and darkness their due, and there will be
peace. (There may be an ancient reference here to pouring blood
into a pit in sacrifice to the earth and the dead.)
The Patterns of Change for 'dangerous learning' are hexagram 34,
Great Vigour, for inner change, and Hexagram 20, Contemplation,
for outer change. Great Vigour shows the surge of potentially
dangerous energy like the water's strong current, driving change
within you; Contemplation shows the tranquil, reflective surface
of the pool - preparing, detached, not yet engaged.
The I Ching offers you the image of water flowing through the
chasm as the mirror image to the dry, dusty path you are on. If
you become like water, you can overcome the
sense of hopelessness that pervades the dream, and your strength
will be as inexhaustible as the flow of water. You can learn and
be transformed through danger.
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The I Ching is the ancient Chinese oracle of change. For a
hundred generations, it has been answering people's questions -
from dream interpretation to career decisions, across the whole
spectrum of human experience. I have been learning from the I
Ching for many years, and founded Clarity, a dedicated I Ching
consultation service, to make the oracle's help readily and
simply available to all who need it.
Hilary Barrett.
Please send comments or questions to support@onlineClarity.co.uk
www.onlineClarity.co.uk
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Computer Dreams IV:
Dream Codes and Decoded Flows
Richard Wilkerson
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http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/computers/computerdreams.htm
Code appears everywhere there is a direction or re-direction in
the flow. We live in a sea of code and codes flow as well as
directing the flow.
Consider the genetic code that makes up all of life that
manifests materially. Think of the molecular and atomic codes
that determine so much of energy/matter. Forces too are full of
code and mater and energy transmutate back and forth accordingly
everywhere we look, act, feel and live. We realize this on the
cultural level and talk about social codes. Language itself is a
code that directs the flow of force. Conversations, thoughts,
imaginings and feelings shift the direction and flow of forces in
our life and the life of those who come into contact with us. To
the degree that these directions and redirections of force insist
and subsist, they are codes.
We don't have to be able to read the code to recognize it as
such. There are still recovered ancient languages we can't read,
but recognize as language and codes that once directed the flows
of whole cultures. And we see codes we know are active but
remain unreadable. We will be gazing at genetic and atomic codes
for sometime before we can read them.
In this sense, dreams too are codes directing the flow of images,
emotions, ideas, day residue, relationships and imagination, of
memories and of other dreams. Just what these dream codes mean
and just what forces they are channeling, what personalities and
emotions and thoughts are being territorialized,
deterritorialized and re-territorializing, this is a site for
continual debate, work, re-working and dreamworking. The de-
coding and re-coding of dreams is always an intense site of
conflict. Out of this conflict the individual can be seen as
emerging with his/her alignment to various political,
theoretical, philosophical and cultural stances.
What are the forces that codes are channeling? I think the
Deleuze and Guattari notion of expression and content may be
useful here, slightly changed as code and coded. Imagine a brick
that is made by pouring clay into a wooden mold. Here the mold is
the code or the expression and the clay the coded or the content.
But a moment later a man picks up the wooden mold and begins to
carve out of it a leg for a table.
Now the wood-carver becomes
the code and the wood his expression. Of course, the situation
is more complex and malleable than this. The woodcarver is
himself an expression of the tradition of woodcarving and
infinitude of other forces, a code through which the woodcarving
programs flow and a vortex of processes intersect.
And so the code and the coded are two states of the same thing.
The code is force in a condensed state, a force that repeats
itself across time in such as way that it continues to maintain
the same relationship with itself and stay condensed, stay
structured, stay organized. It is a force that blocks, channels,
shifts, divides, chops, and directs other forces, other material,
other emotions, thoughts, and energy.
What exists that escapes the code, that extracts from the flow
what cannot be coded? Deleuze and Guattari note that these
programs, these little machines, can exist in two basic states.
One is like a machine in a factory that repeats itself endlessly
until it breaks down. Chop, chop, chop, push, push, push, slam,
slam, slam. These machines are connected to larger social
machines and often used create subjugated, repressive relations.
The other is like a music machine, which re-creates itself each
beat as it is in relationship with the other forces around it in
a way in which its cues and dance steps are improvised upon each
re-creation. It may be better described as a machine that really
works best when it breaks down. They become not-themselves. They
attune and intone in a constant state of becoming, becoming other
than themselves. They break into the flow of rigid machines.
Think of Eros, who arrows breaks through the guarded walls to
reach a target beyond. These machines come together, do what
they need to do, and disperse. Deleuze and Guattari call these
desiring-machines.
Why call them machines at all if there are machinic and not
mechanic? To avoid the old metaphors, human, self, consciousness,
subjectivity. Underneath these systems lies a cooperative realm
of continually reassembling networks that may connect at time
with the human, the self, consciousness, subjectivity, but are
not centered around these systems. They make up a new phylum, a
machinic phylum, that can include organic material and being, but
may at times include computer networks and mechanic machines,
geologic strata and stellar strings.
The first machine, the mechanic one, producing objects for
consumption and elimination, whether pinching off loaves in the
bread factory, or pinching off loaves in the bathroom. The second
machine opens itself up in an intimate act, which produces
positive desire.
As we look at dreams about computers and code, there is then the
possibility of accessing something other than the waking, literal
code that is in the dream. In this sea of forces, there become
then two kinds of code/coded relations, free subject relations
and closed subjugated relations. We can read the code of the
dreams both ways. Dream codes are constructions of desiring-
machines as much as cold machines.
If we assume, as Carl Jung did, that dreams are engaged in an
enormously huge enterprise that exceeds the individual psyche, we
can then see computer dreams as an attempt by this larger project
to re-configure the symbolic universe and to re-populate the
imaginal realm with a new order of being. This is not just a
simple replacement of characters, but a shift in paradigms.
Just what will this new cosmos look like? We now have two
extreme views online. The first is the Digital New-Age, which
sees the Internet as the first sign of the emergence of the
collective mind, an enormous soul which will launch us all into
orbit in a noosopheric virtual utopia. The other Dystopic view is
the Internet as the Sign of the Beast and the emergence of a
Global Big Brother that will strip away any individuality we have
left and re-code our lives into a meaningless Borg existence of
servitude to the Beehive.
Those of us watching dreams about computer may see how this will
all play out on a more intimate level. Dreams, like desiring-
machines, work best by breaking down. They continue to play with
all the themes in our lives. Nothing seems sacred. They break
into the flow of all our most secret territories and most
cherished values and create new connections. Even within a
dream, one dream runs into another dream and they both break
down. Machines in dreams break down. Each of these
deterritorializations allow new code to flow.
I would like to ask you to listen to this new code as you read
these dreams. What does it mean to have trouble with your hard
drive? How are object relations and java objects different?
What does needing a body port lead to? Who benefits when your
keyboard is no longer functioning? What kind of emotional circuit
is created when you e-mail yourself?
- Richard Wilkerson, December 2000
Also see:
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request:
Computer's in Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions.
Electric Dreams & Part I Pre-Net Electric Dreams 6(8). Retrieved
October 30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_1999_aug_computers_in_dreams.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The
changing (inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century.
Electric Dreams 7(3). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_mar_computer-dreams1.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts.
Electric Dreams 7(7). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_july_computer-dreams2.htm
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming
Series: Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture.
Electric Dreams 7(11). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric
Dreams on the World Wide Web:
http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed-
articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_nov_computer-dreams3.htm
Deleuze, Gilles and Flix Guattari. 1983. Anti-Oedipus:
Capitalism and Schizophrenia. Trans. Robert Hurley, Mark Seem and
Helen R. Lane. Minneapolis: U of Minnesota P.
----. 1987. A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia.
Trans. Brian Massumi. Minneapolis: U of Minnesota P.
Massumi, Brian. 1992. A User's Guide to Capitalism and
Schizophrenia: Deviations from Deleuze and Guattari. Cambridge,
Mass.: MIT Press. 174-189.
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DIGITAL DREAMS
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Dream: Color Coding
Dreamer: BlueboyX
Date: November 3, 2000
I prefer to use 'high level' languages; I am pretty sure this
dream reflected C++ programming as I was learning the more
advanced 'object oriented' aspects of the language at the time I
had the dream. The colors were not what mattered in the dream as
much as the shapes of the objects and how they fit together in
3D space (as in many cases one object could be connected to many
other objects; when one curve of one blob fit into a groove in
another object it formed the 'connection'), just like how C++
classes have to accept and return specific types of pointers and
objects in order to fit together. It truely was a dream of
Object Oriented Programming!
I think maybe 'Object Oriented Programming' or some such would be
a better name for the dream, as Color Coding bears the
association of coloring in a 2D image and this dream was
extremely 3D. BlueboyX is what I like to be called.
All of the objects were movable in a specific 3D area in front of
my head, the desktop of my mind so to speak. The usable area I
perceived as gray, while the rest of reality was black- I
apparently was in to place in particular.
Frequently I think of this dream as my subconscious' effort to
understand and perceive something it was totally unable to
comprehend; the abstract world of computer science being far to
different from anything in real life for it to compare to.
Dream:
I have had 2 'programming nightmares.' In the one I remember the
most, I was trying to piece together different pieces of code
perceived as blobs of different colors and shape. I was getting
frustrated because I couldn't get the program to come together
properly and work as well as I wanted it to. The process of
continuing to piece together the code and getting increasingly
frustrated continued until I woke up.
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Dream: Color Data Base
Dreamer: Sara
Date: November 6, 2000
Sara : When I have good dreams about computers, I am an 31337
h4x0r ch1x0r who programs well instead of practically not at all,
and who can make boxes on any OS do anything I want. When I have
prosaic dreams about computers, I am just sitting in front of my
PC (or my old Amiga that I retired only 2 years ago!) writing
(what else is new). Bad computer dreams feature the hideously-
coloured (assembled by a possibly-colourblind boss) database that
I add to and maintain at work...typing in strange place names &
addresses (I work in international education, and see a *lot* of
strange place
names & addresses in a day--words like "Thepkasattri" don't faze
me anymore) which I invariably spell wrong (natural paranoia).
Sara : PS--Since I don't know your level of familiarity with the
subject, be advised that for "31337 h4x0r ch1x0r," you should
read "elite hacker chick." If you don't know the relevance of
the term "elite" to "hacker," run, don't walk, to borrow your
best friend's back issues of _2600_.
Electric Dreams : Some of your phrases did whiz by me. I'm
wondering what "making boxes on any OS" means?
Sara : "Making boxes on any OS do whatever I want" means "making
computers [boxes, the hardware] running any operating system [OS,
usually in my dreams it's Windows, Linux and UNIX] do whatever I
want." This statement implies that in my dreams I am a much more
sophisticated computer user than I really am. My sole experience
with Linux was telnetting [remotely accessing another computer],
logging on to the network, and sending e-mail using Pine [a
rudimentary text-only e-mail prog]; and my only experience with
UNIX was using Sun Solaris on a network at school, and that was a
letdown, because it looked (and acted) just like Win-doze.
Sara : But in my dreams, I've done some righteous hacks. (Hacks,
NOT crimes. In general, I am a VERY scrupulous person. When I
found a "back door" into my university's network, I ONLY checked
my e-mail remotely using MY account & pswd, something which
technically you weren't SUPPOSED to do without paying, but I did
NOT access anyone else's info/acc't. I also didn't tell the
sysadmin about the hole, but that's a "whole nother" kettle of
ethical icthyology.)
Electric Dreams : I wasn't sure what kind of writing you do
either, when you said you were writing while siting in front of
your pc - writing code or letters or journal or fiction?
Sara : Well, I write e-mail (a disturbing amount), articles (2
published), letters, "passalongs" (articles, usually kind of
political op-ed for publication/distribution by e-mail...I count
among my regular passalong readers two movie directors, a movie
critic, a few writers, two actresses, one reasonably well-known
artist, a couple of musicians, and a reporter), stories, poetry,
essays, academic papers, fact-sheets, broadsides and pamphlets,
white papers, background info samplers (such as a compendium of
useful facts on Stockwell Day, who wants to be our new PM), &
technical writing to explain things (like DVDs and a program
called DeCSS) to people. Also songs, although I use a different
prog for that.
Electric Dreams : About the bad computer dreams, was it the
aesthetic arrangements
that you were reacting to, or did you mean it was difficult to
organize (or was there a joke there I missed?)
Sara : No joke, it's just that that DB is so bad to look at and
for awhile at work it was practically ALL I was seeing... And as
with many repetitive tasks, one can find oneself doing it in
one's sleep, which I found especially annoying, because data
entry is pretty boring for me (MA, an IQ in the top 2%,
multitasker and short attention span; "distracts easily", heh
heh). So I was like, "I do this all day, I don't want to do it
all night too..."
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Dream: Data Diagrams
Dreamer: Willie
Date: November 5, 2000
I once worked for IBM. I did 12 hour shift, 7 days a week. When
I tried to sleep, I would dream I saw data diagrams on the
ceiling of my bedroom...
watching icons moving around.
Needless to say... I'm no longer on that job...
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Dream: Bored with dreaming
Dreamer: Itsa
Date:November 1, 2000
I've only had one programming dream lately that I recall. I was
just sitting at my PC at work, writing nothing in particular. It
was pretty boring. One of those you wake up from and
think,"...what a waste of a dream." Now if I could have actually
used the code I was writing, that would be different. (Would that
count as over-time at work?)
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Dream: Frame of the Machine
Dreamer: Dee
Date: November 6, 2000
11-6-00 - DREAM - I was in a bright room, standing by the door.
In front of me was a machine of some kind. My husband was
sitting inside the frame of the machine, and an old white haired
man was standing by the side of it.
My husband was working what seemed to be a jigsaw inside one part
of the frame, and the old man was sawing wood with a long
straight saw that worked similar to a chainsaw on the bottom
edge. I thought it was a great saw that I might be able to use to
saw wood that is laying outside our house which needs to be cut
for firewood.
I was working part of this machine myself from the door by
manipulating a red handle which was attached to a cylinder which
went back and forth along part of the frame in front of my
husband. I thought I was welding things together.
I moved my handle a little too far and had to back it up a
little. I pressed on the top of the red handle and the cylinder
began to move backward. At that exact moment, I saw that I was on
AOL on the computer and a beautiful little cottage was pictured
in front of me. By moving the mouse handle which was the little
red handle, it automatically decorated the cottage and created
the sidewalk and the city beyond it.
I got so excited, I wanted to save the picture, so I moved the
mouse up to the File indicator where I would click to SAVE.
However, when I got the mouse pointer up to File, the picture
changed to a picture of a man, a woman, and a child and I ended
up saving the picture of the people instead of the house.
I really wanted the picture of the house, but I didn't know how
to get it back and woke up. I realized after I woke up that the
machine my husband and the old man was working inside of was the
frame of my computer.
End of dream
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Dream: Computer Screen Invoice 'BLASTCHITITIS'
Dreamer: Dee
Date: October 6, 2000
This started out as a stupid dream, but when I was thinking about
the dream later, something astounding happened. see:
10-6-00 - DREAM - I was in a house somewhere that was really
messy. Toys were everywhere on the floors and things were just
basically strewn around.
I decided I would clean the house inch-by-inch starting at the
front door in case visitors came.
However, I got interrupted by a phone call. A woman started a
conversation like I was a search service. She needed the phone
number of two other people.
I went to the pile where the phone books were supposed to be
and they weren't there. So, I put the phone down and went looking
for a phone book. I looked and looked and couldn't find one.
Finally, I gave up and went back to the phone to tell the woman I
couldn't find the phone book. The woman was gone. I didn't blame
her. I was gone quite some time.
I don't recall any other people there, but I was presented
with a paper plate which had some corn on it, cut from the cob. I
was supposed to look at it and see how the quality was. It
looked pretty good to me.
On the same paper plate, where the corn was on the upper half of
the plate, a black box appeared which had the word
'BLASTCHITITIS' or something like that. I wasn't quite certain of
the word.
Below the black box was a selection of peas which were arranged
in size with the largest towards the black box and the peas were
arranged with the smallest towards the bottom edge of the plate.
I was told that the peas had some kind of disease in the shell.
I was then shown the shell which when popped open, the peas in
the pod had some kind of slimy clear substance around them. The
peas themselves looked okay, but the slimy stuff was not good for
us. I looked at a bunch of these pea pods and they were all
similar with the slimy stuff inside. We were not supposed to eat
these.
NOTE: At this point I woke up because the alarm went off and
Joe got up to go to work. I forgot the dream basically, but was
trying to remember what the word in the black box was and what it
meant.
After Joe left the room and turned off the light, the dream
started to come back into my memory rather like a long vision. I
again saw the plate with the corn and peas on it, but the box was
missing. It was the word I was trying to think of.
Suddenly, I was looking at a computer screen, and an invoice
popped up from below like it had been a page that was minimized
and went down to the bottom of the screen. Here again was the
word, which I think was spelled 'BLASTCHITITIS'.
Then a movie screen popped up on top of the computer screen and
Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan were standing there. Ronald Reagan
had a long pointer stick in his hand and was pointing to a chart
on the wall behind them like he was demonstrating something for
the world to look at.
Then in front of the movie screen appeared a clear portrait
picture of Nancy Reagan ... which was wider than high, like a
wide movie screen picture ... underneath her face was the word
'HUNGRIER'.
The end.
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Dream: MUD Dream of 7000 Points
Dreamer: JF
Date: November 15, 2000
At 05:27 AM 11/15/00 -0600, you wrote:
I had a dream today that had a very small bit of computer related
content. The only part that was computer related was that me and
a group of people were flee somewhere, and there was something in
our way, and one of the people in the group killed it, and she
got 7000 experience points (I'v been playing Avatar MUD a lot, so
that's where it came from :).
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Dream: Solving Problems that cannot be Understood
Dreamer: Gray
Date: November 10, 2000
I went to sleep after doing research on MySQL and PHP database
languages....and spent the night wading through wave after wave
of confusing, mystical acronyms...the way they combine, the way
they build and multiply, acronyms for strange and subtle
languages that will never exist, acronym scripting languages
developed to solve problems that cannot be understood. All very
hieroglyphic, in the sense of the mystery a hieroglyphic
contains, their gnomic nature, the constant sense that the
communication is happening on a level far above or below the
level you currently inhabit.
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Dream: PPP Connection now Investigation
Dreamer: JF
Date: November 15, 2000
Dream 17
This one 's old, and I forget when I had it. I was going to my
computer room to sign on to the web (my house uses a gateway
machine, which connects the entire house after I dial). I dial
it. However, instead of telling me that it has established a PPP
connection, as it usually does, it tell me that "You are under
investigation for the use of your account, *****t@yahoo.com, in
illegal animal pornography. If you believe this is a mix up,
please enter your FBI password now."
Uhmm....what the hell? Well, I have a prompt, so I try things.
"Hoover"is not the correct password. Nor is "Agent". "Federal"is
likewise not it.
It tells me "I am sorry, but I cannot let you online at this
time." Phone hangs up. I freak out.
Analysis of Dream 17
"Illegal animal pornography?"
First of all, I don 't have an account with the address listed. I
have a tracker friend known as the *****, but not only does he
not have a yahoo account, plus he 's clearly not a zoophile.
Second of all, I don 't recall zoophilic pictures to be illegal,
(Although they are gross, a jamacan girl thought it was funny to
send me some once, I spent the next hour cleaning up my vomit.)
And thirdly, the FBI is never that remote. They visit their
subjects in person. That kind of intererance with ppp accounts
simply is not possible.
Lastly, WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!
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Dream: Making CPU's
Dreamer: Willtel
Date: November 12, 2000
I was dreaming of making CPU's.
I think it may have been a "matrix" (not film) idea, one of those
large
'first ever' type CPU's. It was brown, many flashing buttons and
was
similar to the idea that Alfred Bester had in his "the Demolished
Man"
(i.e the justice CPU)
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note: stan requests his name and e be kept with the dream text.
DATE : 4 nov 2000 05:32
DREAM : advising bill gates
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
=( last night, a friday, i tested the web site code for the
macintosh club in six resolution browser combinations. i did
not get completely through the test series, but it works in the
most common cases. i had to turn off my computers and modem
during nash bridges which is my mother's favorite friday night
show. since they shut off the analog CBS satellite downlink, our
local broadcast station has really poor reception and my
equipment puts out a lot of RF interference on that channel.
afterwards i could operate again while we watched my videos. i
almost decided to watch _naked lunch_ but decided instead to
start into the _battlestar galactica_ series. i burned the web
site to the CD i promised to bring for demonstration to the
macintosh club meeting in the morning. i finished reading a
fantasy novel and got to sleep real early, about 01:30. i woke
again an hour later and had some trouble getting back asleep. )=
stirring up someone's curiosity is one thing, satisfying it is
another. most of us are good at one or the other, usually the
first, but rarely both. i am thinking this, over and over like a
mantra or like an obsession. i keep expecting to encounter some
gross but intelligent insects to discuss these insights with,
like the cockroach typewriter's in william burrough's _naked
lunch_, but they are not to be found.
instead, i find myself at an afternoon luncheon at bill gate's
mansion on puget sound. maybe fifteen other people, mostly
strangers to me, standing around in small groups of twos or
threes, over dressed, trying to eat daintily with their fingers
from napkins.
i am definitely not trying to make any sort of impression. i am
so tired and sleepy that i can not really stand, so i am laying
down by myself on a large bed. this is not bill gates' bed, but
one for guests who might stay in this room. at first i lay just
on top of the covers but as time goes on the covers sort of come
apart and crawl over me of their own volition. or so it seems.
try as i might, i just can not shake off this drowsy feeling.
i know that i am supposed to be here to help my boyhood friend,
hugh evans, with a deal he wants to promote with microsoft.
this afternoon gathering is part of a conference of venture
capitalists. everyone here has some proposal to pitch and this
is our opportunity with mister gates. but i am unable to get my
energies going. i should probably excuse myself and leave, but
instead i sink further into the bedding, making myself useless
while everyone else is busy shmoozing.
while bill gates is circulating, making the rounds of the small
groups, and hughie standing besides the bed where i am entrapped
in lethargy, i have just enough juice to look at the walls.
mister gates apparently fancies himself a patron of the arts now,
so the polished blonde hardwood interior of his place is adorned
with various artworks. i spend sometime inspecting these from my
horizontal perspective.
along the wall opposite me, i see several attempts to achieve an
abstract style theme in the wall paper. one is clearly cubist,
rectangles of similar proportions but differing scale. another
nearby looks like a cabbage next to an eyeball, round things with
roots trailing in the same direction. over there is a cluster of
diagonal lines, different shades of blue and widths but sharing
the same angles. the same theme of similarities is picked up by a
collection of brass spheres on a coffee table, obviously an
attempt at sculpture since they have no utility other than that
sense of detached visual worthiness.
i squint at the various devices in the wall paper. i can see the
general problem here. each on their own looks like a good idea
by themselves. the cubist thing has a pleasing geometry, as does
the rondels of the melted cabbage and eyeball. but as soon as
you step back to next level of scale, nothing holds together.
the sign of a good architect is that interior design has to stay
constant on at least three layers of scale: up close, stepped
back, and across the space. frank lloyd wright could do that
effortlessly across many scales it seems. that is what is
totally lacking here. up close and across the room nothing
matches in the flow. it is only stepped back that each piece
individually holds together with a pleasing effect.
it occurs to me that this is much like microsoft software.
little parts may work ok by themselves here and there, but
overall they fail to cohere so the total effect is badly achieved
by just brute force. too much overhead trying to force together
the little things that were not designed properly for any other
layer of scale.
well, nothing for it now. i am a teacher and a programmer, not
much of an artist. it is not my job to criticize but i can
hardly help but notice deficiencies of a room so obviously
attempting to display good taste, but so totally failing. still
the attempt ought to be given some credit.
uhoh. bill gates has finally come up to hughie for his informal
interview. i try to get up and manage to make it sitting up with
my feet on the floor. i shake my head trying to wake up, but no
luck. hugh is giving me the urgent look, but i still am unable to
stand yet.
seeing my distress, mister gates comes over to the bed and sits
besides me. "not feeling so well?" he asks me.
"no. i just can not shake this feeling. i should not have
come." i tell him.hughie seems to be forgotten before he got to
make his pitch. too bad.
"i noticed you looking at my artwork." says mister gates. "what
do you think of it?" he seems to be just making conversation
rather than really being interested. he nods toward something
behind me. there is a large shaggy tapestry on the wall, various
shades of off white in stepped lengths and textures. like
everything else, it looks good only at one distance where it can
be seen only by itself. someone has tried to use it to pick up
on the scandanavian polished blonde woodwork, but it misses by
just enough to ruin the effect.
"i am afraid that i am not an art critic." cop out. i tell him
this although he does not seem to be waiting or expecting a
reply. easier to cop out than try to explain what he does not
want to hear anyway.
"now, what do you think of her?" he says with a burst of
interest. he is indicating a woman sitting near a lamp at the
other corner of the bed. she also was out of my original range
of view.
i look her over. clearly she is the only other person, like
myself, not into the business of high intensity socializing. she
has very dark hair contrasting with pale skin and angular bone
structure, somewhat reminding me of winona ryder. she looks in
annoyance at me and bill appraising her.
"whaddya think? she for me? does she have it? might be ok?"
bill starts muttering a constant stream of rhetorical questions
as he makes up his mind. i am no longer part of the
conversation, just a foil for him to hear himself speak. i can
tell that she is mismatched for him. he is all round faced and
light earth tones while she is sharp angles and dark contrasts.
i shake my head, no. "i think she is a libra."
=( i wake up several times in the morning, too early but i can
not get back to sleep. the very first part about curiosity and
_naked lunch_ insects i think was a hold over from a previous
sleep state in which i was thinking about those things before i
got into the REM state of visual dreaming. i had almost put the
borrough's movie on the VCR. the curiosity part seems to resonate
in bill gates rhetorical monologue at the end of the dream, and
certainly i was not satisfying anyone at this soiree. usually my
entry into REM dreaming is clean without interacting with
previous mental activity while asleep, or at least i rarely have
any memory of such associations. )=
stankuli@gulf.net
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Dream: Billing for Computer Dreamwork
Dreamer: Andreas
Date: December 3, 2000
I live and work in Silicon Valley. I live in Palo Alto and I've
worked at several dozen computer startups for the last ten years.
I often have computer dreams when I'm working very intensely (80-
100 hr weeks, 90 days straight, etc.)
I'll be having a dream of whatever, and if I spot something wrong
in the dream, I stop the dream, open the dream's code, change the
lines that control that event, recompile, and start the dream
again. All of this is a dream within a dream, with the meta dream
as a control or manipulation of the sub dream.
Several times, I'll dream a better way to do a (real world) work
process, and upon awakening, I'll make a note of it and then at
the office, I'll implement those changes in the code. Some of
those dreams can be rather elaborate, with writing and testing
hundreds of lines of code in a dream (and "viewing" the results
in the dream.)
Several times, when working as a contractor, I billed for those
"dream work hours." It seemed fair: not only was work taking up
my dream time, but I was also productive in my dream.
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Dream: Computer Dream Learning
Dreamer: Conway
Date: December 4, 2000
When I was learning java I dreamt (and thought when awake) in
java...
same with learning other languages like c++, rpg, html
same with learning games like chess, go, mancala
same with learning mundane activities like typing
I also dreamt about conway's life (an artificial life algorithm)
when I was coding that, as well as other artificial life
programs; Unfortunately I also always think and dream in
Microsoft Windows.
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Dream: Mental Frames
Dreamer: Glenn
Date: December 11, 2000
I am a software engineer, just capable enough to fix Visual C++
programing, which includes knowing how Windows GUI dialogs work.
I am also interesting in parsing text, also language, metaphors,
and solving the meaning of ancient archetypes.
I don't remember that much of what I dream, and most relate to
conditions of failure, nakedness and embarrassment in school,
etc.
But recently, I have been spending many days painting a fence,
that is 6' cedar boards nailed to about 10' top and bottom rails
between 4x4 posts, thus looking like so many rectangular panels.
I had a dream in which I was thinking about a series of "frames",
sort of like how a sequence or hierarchy of GUI dialogs cascade
on the screen, only these were in a non-spatially bounded space,
as if they appeared in a mental universe.
I say "frame", because they remind me of a concept of frames that
may be used to describe real world knowledge, as I read in a text
on C++ for expert systems.
They had areas resembling "controls" in a windows GUI dialog,
esp. rectangular text entry fields, like boxes printed on an
invoice.
There were visible lines connecting the controls from some frames
that were generally above, left, and layered behind, to the
outline of some other descendent frames.
Although visible, the objects and lines were ethereal, as if they
were merely mental objects, and not representing concrete
objects.
This picture was not static, but frames were being removed and
new frames added, as if they were a view into a computation in
process.
I remember being concerned about the "rules" governing something,
perhaps the "production" of knowledge, being concerned about the
stepwise rectitude of the rules. However, whatever the specific
data was, that was in the frames was not obvious to me.
That is after all like a programmer, to be concerned not with the
doing of a task, but the programming of the doing of a task.
Notes:
> Was there any text in the text boxes?
Yes, but like "greeked" text, it was not readable or
not important to me.
> Was the program an interface for other programs,
or an ecommerce deployment, a wordprocessor, an networking
interface, a VR control...?
I think it was an attempt to represent knowledge, a so-called
"expert" system. You see from my web pages, I am very much
into solving meanings of archetypal imagery.
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Dream: Transferring Files
Dreamer: groupdreams
Date: December 2, 2000
Last night I seemed to be sorting through some filing cabinets
for you, or with you, to collect information for a dream
database. That is, we were collecting as many dreams as we could
from people all over the world, and
then creating a searchable data base. (Isn't someone actually
doing this? And if so, I wonder what this dream is about.)
Anyway, we hadn't gotten too far, since we were still at the
point of going through old filing cabinets (the P***** filing
cabinets now that I think about it), and pulling out notebooks
full of dreams, piling them into a cart where they could be
taken to the computer and entered into the database.
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Dream: Transferring Files
Dreamer: Atraud
Date: December 3, 2000
Dreams are, of course, a primary method of determining what the
brain is really thinking/feeling/responding.
Since I have been on medication I have not been an active dreamer
at all... I can't remember a single dream I've had in the last
month or so. =(
Still, Dreams are the major motivation for much of my writings.
The best example for this context is the second of the two
stories that are readily accessible on my site.
> Are you dreaming of problems with your hard disk, getting
connected,
>the wrong programs coming up, not being able to find the file
you want?
Well, I'm a much more sophisticated user than that. I remember a
dream I had from about five years ago (I think) where I was
tramping around a mysterious floppy disk (In DOS). It seemed to
be partially damaged and there was a lot of random stuff on it.
One program on it turned the screen blue but allowed me to enter
much more sophisticated commands, and just by looking at it I had
a much better understanding of the machine.. (I am reconstructing
so this is not perfectly accurate). I think I remember waking up
and looking through my collection for it with the aim of
integrating the program with my system... =P
Hmm... Talking about that one jogged free the memory of another
dream that I even posted to this list about a year ago! =P In
that one I was using Win 3.11 (As I am in life writing this!) but
not with my mouse. Instead I was vaguely waving my hand at it and
the computer was responding to my thoughts! =) I found the vision
in that dream so compelling that I decided to open a neural
interface project on my website, to try to make the dream
reality!
> Has the computer in a dream assisted you in becoming lucid?
I have had lucid dreams, though It is usually through a process
of half-waking rather than any feature of the dream...
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Dream: Gerry's Transformation
Dreamer: Gerry
Date: December 1, 2000
My only computer dreams are that I feel myself transforming into
a computer. And my dreams are within the confines of a computer
screen. The imagery (usually in color) has been replaced by
words....and as I sit in front of the screen I feel my body
becoming larger and larger.
Because I spend lots of time on the computer my dreams have
borders similar to those of a computer screen.
Before I began spending lots of time on the computer, my dreams
were vivid with real people and real action. Now the vividness
is in words and I don't recall vivid dream in the past many
months.
As far as saying that my body became bigger--I was referring to
spread that is happening to my derrier. Lack of movement has a
detrimental effect on the body. Need to get to the exercise club
:-)
And no, I don't hear myself saying the words; I only see them in
letter form in my dream.
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Dream: Real and E-Real
Dreamer: Fairuz
Date: December 2, 2000
I'm an Arab woman in my late thirties, an academic working in a
small institution in a very conservative setting somewhere in the
Arab world. I'm also married with one small child.
I met a Jewish American artist on the net, a guy with an amazing
mind. Since then we've been having kind of a virtual affair,
very intense, very fulfilling on the emotional, intellectual,
artistic and even the physical levels (believe it or not!).
We've been emailing each other practically every day for almost a
year now.
I would love to hear more about your project and your angle on
Baudrillard, because, in many ways, I find that the virtual is
becoming more "real" than the real. I find myself desiring a man
that I never laid eyes on, and it is mutual.
I have had this dream several times now: we're together in a car
driving somewhere; we're hugging and kissing; then suddenly, the
scene changes and I see his name and a new message from him in my
inbox. Interesting juxtaposition of the two worlds in the world
of dream, eh?
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Dream: Maze of Virtual Screens
Dreamer: Fairuz
Date: December 3, 2000
I'm tossing and turning in bed and I enter the virtual world of
the Net where I am inside the huge computer screens: I'm lost, I
don't know where I am, I seem to lose all control, I am part of
the virtual world which is controlling me: I stray from one site
to another aimlessly in a process that is almost like infinite
regress. I'm in a dark tunnel (one would be tempted to think of
a return to the womb here). I can't even discern the languages
of the sites I'm in: I seem to be lurking in some nook or cranny,
vulnerable and really lost. It's hard to explain, but the
information seems to contain me; I almost become a feature on
those sites. I struggle to regain a semblance of control: I
cling to the sites in English, but all is blurry. I find myself
trying to identify the "nationality" of each site, in vain. A
distinct sense of anxiety overtakes me. That's how it ends.
In other words, I seem to be struggling to use conventional
markers and signifiers to situate myself in a world where all
frontiers and boundaries have become meaningless. Interesting
too.
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Dream: Bryce Life
Dreamer: eris
Date: 1997
I am arranging my life as if the various parts of my life (work,
home, play) are Bryce wireframe objects. I am making the "work"
terrain more in perspective, not looming so large, so that the
eventual render will be in balance. I wake up before I render it,
though.
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Dream: Macintosh Coding Dreams
Dreamer: eris
Date: June 2000
In waking reality, I was learning to program the Macintosh to do
a fairly complex project. Several times when I felt stuck on a
particular problem, I would dream right before waking that I was
working on a particular solution, or I would be turning over the
name of a function in my mind in the dream. It was always
pertinent, though never anything I'd been considering while
awake.
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Dream: Bodging the Mainframe
Dreamer: eris
Date: 1985
I am reading mainframe (MVS) assembler code by someone who worked
before me in a job. I'm impressed by it as it is a clever way
using a custom supervisor call to do a useful function. In the
next dream in sequence, I dream how to do the same function in a
different environment (VM).
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Dream: "Cassandra" Hacks My Terminal
Dreamer: eris
Date: 1979 or 1980
I'm working at a terminal when suddenly a stream of characters
fills the screen and rapidly scrolls by! I'm surprised at this
and ask one of my co-workers what's going on - I'm told "That's
Cassandra - she always does that". I'm instantly jealous and want
to know how to make that happen. (This dream eventually led me to
learn assembler and be able to do some tricks that were fairly
close to the dream).
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Dream: Scary
Dreamer: Helen
Date: December 6, 2000
My computer talks to me and helps me with my problems then turns
psycho and tries to kill me!
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Dream: Living in Digital
Dreamer: Hack
Date: December 2000
I dreamed of once being some type of computer genius/hacker. I
know it had to have been in the future because of equipment I was
using. Anyway I dreamed that for some reason I was dying of an
illness I knew I didnt have much time to live so I spent nights
and days on the computer researching finally figuring a way to
insert my brain into a computer or rather the net to live on for
ever. I know it sounds like a movie but that is what I dreamed.
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Dream: Computer Virus
Dreamer: Seneca
Date: Mid November 2000
I had basically the same dream within a weeks time. My computer
had some kind of virus, but it was actually possessed by some
kind of evil. In the dream I was shutting down the computer, but
it wouldn't shutdown and flashed to a screen that looked like a
game. Some how my dog got involved and the computer almost
killed him. No one would believe me that the computer was
possessed until I showed them when it started talking and
flashing strange words on the screen. It was a strange dream!
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Dream: Channel overtake
Dreamer: Minnie
Date: Early December 2000
I often dream about IRC, since I spend a lot of time online
there.
In one particular recent dream, I dreamt that my regular channel
was overtaken by irc hackers, and I was the only one of the
regular crowd still having ops. I tried to deop the overtakers,
and they all started slagging me on the channel, but seemed to be
unable to stop me otherwise. I was very angry with them, but
managed to kick them all out. After that the regulars returned
and I felt like a heroine, but very embarrassed at the same time,
as they all congratulated me on getting rid of the overtakers.
I often dream of playing the Minesweeper, too, since I do it a
lot anyway. The colours and details are very vivid, but there is
no emotion attached. It is very lifelike.
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Dream: The unconnection
Dreamer: pawprintgirl
Date: Early December 2000
Not disconnecting from the internet overnight. I have a Approx.
10 minute Limit to check emails
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Dream Art Exhibit plus Concert of The Opposites, January 2001
"Music and Art for the New Millennium." Join Jana Hutcheson,
on a spiritual journey while she exhibits art and performs
selected pieces from her CD, The Opposites . Music sung and
played
by Jana, with Dianne Heitman, Trumpet and Keyboard. This
work breaks ground into a whole new genre of musical
experience that will hopefully grow and grow in years to
come. Much of the music now focuses on issues of being an
elder woman of the culture. It focuses on female
spirituality and a concern for balance, union and healing on
all levels. 3696 17th St at Church, (415) 621-7156
www.jps.net/opposite
Dreams, Dreaming, & Dreamwork
Announcing! the release of a new book about dreams,
dreaming, and dreamwork. The debunks some popular notions
about dreams and dreamwork, and provides the enthusiast
with tried and true methods for uncovering the supernatural
meaning of dreams. To view:
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with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help
spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is
really a public projects board and requires that everyone
keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a
point to send changes to the links page to us.
Astro Awareness
The site features Spiritual astrology with an area dedicated
to dreams and their meanings, and offers free dream
interpretations withan online dictionary of symbols.
http://www.astroawareness.com (homepage)
http://www.astroawareness.com/dreams/dreams.html (dream
homepage)
Gestalt Dreamwork Article
www.soulcenteredtherapy.com/textfiles/gestaltdreamwork.htm
In Gestalt dreamwork, you can "become" your dream characters
as you unfold the meaning of your dreams. You can heal,
release and increase your available energy, abilities and
understanding in the process. Author Laurie Greenberg is
located in New York City who is available to work with
others locally. The site also includes links to other
Gestalt Therapy and dream resources
Dream Chimney's Dream Theory
http://dreamchimney.com/dreams/
Dream Theory functions as a complete dream discussion board.
The dreamer can post a dream and anyone can post a reply
back to this dream. The Dream Chimney Team will reply back
with in 24-48 hours of the dreams first post. The dreamer is
also free to repost comments or answer questions on the same
page. Each dream is archived so discussions can continue.
The Dream Gallery which is open to the public, where
selected dreams have been animated.
Dream Talk Back with Jane Anderson
Wherever you are in the world you can tune into Dream Talk
Back with JaneAnderson on Sunday afternoons at: www.4bc.com.
Click, "4BC Live" and you're through. Broadcast 14.00 -
14.30 QLD time on Glenn Taylor's 'Weekend Edition'. If
you're in the US or Canada, this will be Saturday evening
for you, though if you're in the UK/ Europe it's early
morning hours. If you go to the LIVE page at any time,
you'll find Brisbane time displayed prominently and you'll
be able to calculate the difference.
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Jan 5-7 in Humboldt County, CA
Weekend workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Carol Mone at
707.677.0862 or cemone@humboldt1.com
Jan 10 in San Rafael, CA
Dream Certification Program classes taught by Jeremy Taylor
begin new session through Chaplaincy Institute. Meet on
Wednesdays, 9-12noon. Contact Gina Rose Halpern at
415.453.8521 to enroll in the in the program and/or find
out about other programs they offer.
Jan 19, in Yellow Springs, OH
Dreaming True: Bringing the Power of Dreams into Everyday
Life with Robert Moss. 7-9:30 PM. Tuition: $30. Epic
Bookstore, 118 Dayton Street, Yellow Springs OH 45367.
Information and Reservations: Please call (937) 767-7997
Jan 27 in Saratoga, NY
Dreaming at Midwinter: Learning from Native American
Traditions, a 1-day workshop with Robert Moss. Workshop
location: Stillpoint is a lovely retreat center on Route 423
in the woods outside the village of Stillwater, near
Saratoga, N.Y. Overnight accommodations are
available at a modest price. Workshop hours: 10-5.
Tuition: $70. Reservations and directions: Please contact
Stillpoint (518) 587-4967, email stillpt423@aol.com
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New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1
09/29/2000
This issue includes volume #41 volume #66
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the
DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of
the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera".
(homepage: http://mythwell.com)
Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us
and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some
dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on
the dream and dreamer.
The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and
comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams
in Cyberspace.
Many mail lists participate, including
dream-flow@lists.best.com
dreamstream@topical.com
DreamsRus@onelist.com
The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione
Usenet groups (too many to name, search DREAM)
If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you
can leave them at
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If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams
and comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the
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Pre-April 1990
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 42
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Killing Deer Jen
From: Anonymous
2. boyfriend
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:19:37 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Killing Deer Jen
Dream Title Killing Deer Jen
Date of Dream November 16, 2000
Dream I was in the woods with a bow. I
was waiting for an innocent deer. I shot the deer and
wounded it. It kept walking away, crippled. I shot it
again, killing it. I then drug it out of the woods. My son
was there, and he was helping me drag it away. It was cold
November like day, the sky was gray and it was misting. I
don't remember any more of the dream.
Comments by Dreamer I have never hunted. I wouldn't
know the first thing about bow hunting. I don't think that
I could even kill a deer.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:20:59 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: boyfriend
Dream Title boyfriend
Date of Dream 1 month ago
Dream I had a dream that my ex boyfriend
called me one day crying saying that he wanted me back. But
in real life he acts like he doesn't like me anymore and
doesn't want to talk to me.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 43
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. "Car crash to cartoon sea"
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:41:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: "Car crash to cartoon sea"
Dream Title "Car crash to cartoon sea" by
Forever Dreaming
Date of Dream 11/12/00 / 4:00 am
Dream My father was driving an old
gangster's car. My daughter, my son, and I were in the back
seat. My father was driving very fast and we were on a very
high mountain, a winding road that hugged the mountain. It
was raining very hard and when my father tried to make a
bend in the road he couldn't! Because he was going so fast
the car just slid off the road and off the mountain side.
We were suspended in midair with an ocean about 1,000 feet
below, or so it seemed. I knew that we would be killed.
The car seemed to float upright in the air but I knew that
we were falling. I told my daughter to lean back in the
seat and put her head back so that upon impact her head
wouldn't snap forward, or so I thought. I kept imagining
the pain and sudden impact but it never happened. All of a
sudden we found ourselves surrounded by bright blue water!
It looked like we were in the middle of "The Little Mermaid"
cartoon. Little colorful 2 dimensional fish floating
around, the water an unsual cartoon blue. I believed that
we were dead but that we felt no pain. My father just put
his foot on the gas and we started to drive off.... can't
remember the rest.
Comments by Dreamer No comment. I have no idea what it
means. I dream like that all the time and my dreams are so
real. Lot's of color and lot's of places I have never seen
before.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 44
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Patrick
From: Bakersfield
2. Hadamagic
From: Anonymous
3. time travel
From: Anonymous
4. snake woman
From: stan kulikowski ii
<stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:36:32 -0800
From: : Bakersfield
Subject: Patrick
Dream Title
Date of Dream 10/12/1998
Dream I am facing toward the east and
standing in the hall of a building that was once a bakery.
Later the building housed offices, I worked in one of the
offices. My nephew, Patrick,a young fellow with blonde
hair, is stand by my right side with his left arm over my
shoulders. He is Crying, weeping or wailing.
Note: In the late 1980's or early 1990's A Hollywood
producer named David Lynch produced a TV series named Twin
Peaks. The series centered around the death of a woman
named Laura Palmer. I believe that the story was told using
dream like images and symbols. At the wake of Laura Palmer
a male member of the cast is weeping in the same manner as
my nephew Pat in my dream. Could Patrick be Aker?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:46:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Hadamagic
Dream Title Hadamagic
Date of Dream 11/05/00 -- 4 or 5 am.
Dream I had this dream a couple of weeks
ago. It was a vivid dream. Clear, colorful, tridimentional
and with a great sound.
This dream happened during a day. It was a clear day, with a
little bit of sun. I was outside of a two story house. I was
facing the house. Ouside the house there were several
children ages from 6 to 11 years old. They were facing and
me, with their arms extended, trying to reach out to me and
they were crying. And I knew that they were crying for me.
In my dream I knew it was my responsibility to take care of
them.
I was on my toes, ready to run. My arms were open, as if I
were going to use them to take impulse. I was ready to start
running. I was dressed to run. The road was easy to run in,
it was open and paved and smooth. The road was like a
country road, among flowers and grass. And I knew that I
could run freely and easily on it.
A loud, cavernous voice was urging me:
"Run, run"
But the children were crying and I was worried about them. I
knew that I had to stay and help them in some way.
And the voice said
"Run, if you run and save yourself, you can later come back
and save them as well"
And I could not start running. They were needing me so badly
and I knew that the voice was right. That if I only had the
heart to let those children crying, I could run and get
safe. I knew that I was the priority, not them. And I knew,
in my heart that they were going to be alright but my heart
was almost breaking to hear them crying for me and to know
how needy they were.
"Run, save yourself. There is still time. Run. Run"
Then, my heart won and I knew that I was not going to run,
that I was going to stay with them and embrace them and make
sure that they cried no more. In that moment, just when I
abandoned the urge to run, I could sense a big danger
sinking in me, and I woke up.
When I woke up I was not scared, but bewildered.
Comments by Dreamer I know that if I could go back to
that dream and run, I could overcome the powerful feeling
that I have inside my heart whenever I hear a child crying.
This feeling moves me to reach out and help the child. In
real life I don't have children that age. My youngest son is
a High School freshman.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:15:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: time travel
Dream Title time travel
Date of Dream
Dream I am constantly dreaming of time
travel or existence in the space-time continuum.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:14:43 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: snake woman
note: Stan requests his name and e be kept with the dream.
- editor
stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
DATE : 17 nov 2000 10:23
DREAM : snake woman
=( last night i continued working on my curriculum projects
until about 03:30. i have almost completed the java applet
on color schemes for the programming course starting in
january. i did finally figure out why the mouseover was not
working, although now i am puzzled why it compiled at all in
the inactive form. but it is almost done with the mouse
clicking design, the color wheel now generating labeled
color swatches. i got to sleep around 04:00, a usual time
for me. )=
the sun is going down as i approach the bank where anne
marie works. the building is on the edge of town with
overgrown grassy lots beside the roadway. the sky is
streaked with long clouds turning orange and pink.
anne marie and a woman friend come out of the bank as they
lock the doors behind them. we greet each other as i come
up to them. annie is wearing a tight silk or nylon sheath
dress held up by spaghetti straps. when i kiss her hello, i
feel her firm body with anticipation.
we are eager to take leave of her friend and go back to her
apartment. anne marie is a speech pathologist, well known
for their ability to transform into a serpentine form. that
is how they are able to correct the articulation of children
and injured people. although we have made love several
times before, she was always in human form, being too shy or
uncertain of me to morph. tonight she has said we might get
to the next level of trust. i imagine i will prefer sex
with her human aspect, having legs and arms and all, but i
am nonetheless excited by the possibilities of a new
experience. she has explained to me that the serpentine
shape has certain sensuality unimagined by strict normals.
children conceived in human form become human, but those
conceived in snake form can become speech pathologists.
excitement builds to almost an electric tingle between us as
we walk down the street towards my car. then a policeman
steps out in front of us with his gun drawn.
"please step
away from him and keep your hands in plain sight." he aims
the weapon at us.
anne marie steps in front of me protectively, keeping me
behind her with her hands. her arms start to dissolve into
her body. the thin dress falls to the ground when there are
no longer shoulders or hips to hold it up. her skin darkens
as shiny black scales emerge to cover her. she straightens
up in front of me. a cobra like hood swells open so i can
no longer see the policeman confronting us.
i hear a gun shot and feel a bullet whiz past my ear. annie
lunges forward and i can see a stream of venom shooting out
of her mouth into the face of the policeman. he drops his
gun as his face and skull quickly dissolve. he is dead
before he hits the ground.
anne marie does not recover from her strike but merely falls
limply forward. i hurry around to the front of her and see
that the gun blast has torn away a chunk of her neck and
probably part of the spine. her snake body twists over on
her back. i kneel and take her head in my hands as she
starts slipping back into human form. her obsidian black
eyes look up at me in sadness as they glaze over in death.
now we will never know what our children would have been
like, be they human or speech pathologists.
=( i wake around 09:30 and take a while before sitting up to
enter this dream. anne marie was a girl friend of mine,
italian woman with dark hair. we did not have any really
bad feelings when we broke up. at least i did not, and i
have heard from her on email a couple years back. she did
always keep two jobs going: a teacher by day and waitress
by night. she was never a speech pathologist, although i
had a couple other significant relationships with women of
that profession. none of them could turn into snakes as far
as i know. )=
stankuli@gulf.net
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 45
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Hospital
From: Anonymous
2. Giving Birth
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:56:12 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Hospital
Dream Title
Date of Dream
Dream Plot-
I was sitting on a red couch in a white hospital. The nurse
came in to tell me my brother didn't make it. I layed my
head in my hands then looked up then they became two
soldiers. They tried to kill me but I was two steps in front
of them. But I dove towards the bed and got shot. I saw the
blood, and felt the pain.
Setting-
In a white, broken down hospital.
Characters-
An unknown faced nurse, my brother and me.
Emotions-
Sad, Scared and Shocked
Red and white
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:06:56 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Giving Birth
Dream Title Giving Birth
Date of Dream 13-18.11.2000
Dream My sister told me that she dreamt
she saw me giving birth to a baby. I have not been in a
serious relationship for a long while now, and I have no
intention of having a child for the foreseeable future. I
already have 2 children and have been struggling for a long
while with them. I have recently started part-time studying
and would like to see it through to the end. 6 years from
now.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 46
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. dog chasing
From: Anonymous
2. Jumping down steps!
From: Anonymous
3. night of passion with dolly parton
From: Anonymous
4. Free the Souls
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:46:00 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: dog chasing
Dream title dog chasing Date of dream
11/20/00 Dream i often dream that there
is a rottweieler is chasing me. Although he never catches
me, it scares me very much. I have a perfect family, good
job, and i am healthy. Please help me undrestand how i can
make this dream go away. Comments by dreamer please
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Permission to comment
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:46:33 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Jumping down steps!
Dream Title Jumping down steps! Nikki
Date of Dream ????
Dream I always dream about jumping down
steps. I always land on my feet but I get that little
feeling it my stomach like when you go down a rollercoaster!
What does that mean?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:44:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: night of passion with dolly parton
Dream Title night of passion with dolly parton
Date of Dream 17th nov 2000, early hours of
morning
Dream i became aware of my dream i was in
a big house and i was being led by someone down some stairs
to a room. dolly parton is lying naked in bed, and i am
told by someone who doesnt talk that she wants me for the
night. i try to explain that i have a girlfriend and she
wouldn't like it, i am forced, but not in a forceful way,
and i have sex with dolly parton, without wanting to. i cant
stop myself, i also keep telling someone, again without
talking that i shouldn't be doing this. but it is a
pleasureable experiance.
Comments by Dreamer i wake up feeling guilty. but it
is not a wet dream.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:48:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Free the Souls
Dream Title Free the Souls
Date of Dream a few months ago
Dream I somehow just arrived in what I
knew was Sydney city, although it didn't look like anywhere
in Sydney I'd ever been before, I was with a person I've
never met but he was my friend. We were walking down a back
street, and there were two ordinary looking woman just
standing there, watching us walk by. Somehow I knew they
were not woman or even human at all, I had a strong feeling
that they were really evil and meant malice toward my friend
and I. I knew they would follow us and they did, this is
where things started to get scary, and I have not felt any
fear in a dream since I was a young child. Next thing they
attacked, not really a physical attack, more some kind of
attempt capture our souls, I told my friend to run, I knew
he couldn't help and would only be captured if he stayed. I
fought these Things somehow in ways I don't understand, I
knew I could still fly out at any time so I wasn't to
scared. Suddenly I realised what they had been up to, they
had a chest against a nearby wall, and I just knew it was
full of imprisoned souls. Now I felt like I had to stay,
even risk getting captured, I just could not leave all
those souls trapped by those things. I gave it my best and
after a long struggle, managed to get the chest open, only
to find lots of small papery fibrous cocoon or egg type
things, I knew each one of these contained a soul, but I
could not open them no matter what I tried, then I set the
whole lot on fire, and smashed the eggs one at a time on the
footpath. The combination of fire and extreme force seemed
to be working, a little blue light was escaping from each
egg, some of the souls were escaping(getting to long might
send the rest through mail)
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 47
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: night of passion with dolly parton
From: green
2. RE: dog chasing
From: green
3. RE: Free the Souls
From: green
4. RE: Jumping down steps!
From: green
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:33:40 +1100 (EST)
From: green
Subject: RE: night of passion with dolly parton
Lucky bastard ! Bugger the guilt.
Subject: [dream-flow] night of passion with dolly parton
Dream Title night of passion with dolly parton
Date of Dream 17th nov 2000, early hours of
morning Dream i became aware of my dream
i was in a big house and i was being led by someone down
some stairs to a room. dolly parton is lying naked in bed,
and i am told by someone who doesnt talk that she wants me
for the night. i try to explain that i have a girlfriend
and she wouldn't like it, i am forced, but not in a forceful
way, and i have sex with dolly parton, without wanting to. i
cant stop myself, i also keep telling someone, again without
talking that i shouldn't be doing this. but it is a
pleasureable experiance. Comments by Dreamer i wake up
feeling guilty. but it is not a wet dream.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:35:01 +1100 (EST)
From: green
Subject: RE: dog chasing
Learn to fly
Subject: [dream-flow] dog chasing
Dream title dog chasing Date of dream
11/20/00
Dream i often dream that there is a
rottweieler is chasing me. Although he never catches me, it
scares me very much. I have a perfect family, good job, and
i am healthy. Please help me undrestand how i can make this
dream go away. Comments by dreamer please
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:59:26 +1100 (EST)
From: green
Subject: RE: Free the Souls
This was one of the most disturbing dreams I've ever had,
and that's only the first part. Anyone got any idea what
it's about ????
Dream Title Free the Souls Date of Dream
a few months ago Dream I somehow just
arrived in what I knew was Sydney city, although it didn't
look like anywhere in Sydney I'd ever been before, I was
with a person I've never met but he was my friend. We were
walking down a back street, and there were two ordinary
looking woman just standing there, watching us walk by.
Somehow I knew they were not woman or even human at all, I
had a strong feeling that they were really evil and meant
malice toward my friend and I. I knew they would follow us
and they did, this is where things started to get scary, and
I have not felt any fear in a dream since I was a young
child. Next thing they attacked, not really a physical
attack, more some kind of attempt capture our souls, I told
my friend to run, I knew he couldn't help and would only be
captured if he stayed. I fought these Things somehow in
ways I don't understand, I knew I could still fly out at any
time so I wasn't to scared. Suddenly I realised what they
had been up to, they had a chest against a nearby wall, and
I just knew it was full of imprisoned souls. Now I felt
like I had to stay, even risk getting captured, I just
could not leave all those souls trapped by those things. I
gave it my best and after a long struggle, managed to get
the chest open, only to find lots of small papery fibrous
cocoon or egg type things, I knew each one of these
contained a soul, but I could not open them no matter what I
tried, then I set the whole lot on fire, and smashed the
eggs one at a time on the footpath. The combination of fire
and extreme force seemed to be working, a little blue light
was escaping from each egg, some of the souls were
escaping(getting to long might send the rest through mail)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:03:16 +1100 (EST)
From: green
Subject: RE: Jumping down steps!
I'm no dream analyst but maybe you're learning to fly, and
just stuck at that point !?!?
Subject: [dream-flow] Jumping down steps!
Dream Title Jumping down steps! Nikki Date of
Dream ???? Dream I always
dream about jumping down steps. I always land on my feet but
I get that little feeling it my stomach like when you go
down a rollercoaster! What does that mean?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 48
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Is this a premonition or deja vous?
From: Anonymous
2. confused; T.W.
From: Anonymous
3. jawbreaker
From: Anonymous
4. MOM/LorisAngel
From: Anonymous
5. Angel or Symbolism?
From: Anonymous
6. Sniper guys
From: Anonymous
7. Crash landing/streethopper
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:36:09 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Is this a premonition or deja vous?
Dream Title Is this a premonition or deja vous?
Date of Dream Sept. 29, 1995
Dream At the time, I was emotionally
disturbed, but every time something bad happened, the night
before, I would have a dream about what would happen the
next day. I ated it and I was scared and lonely. Were thee
dreams making bad things happen to me, or was I
subconsciously predicting the future?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:36:41 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: confused; T.W.
Dream Title confused; T.W.
Date of Dream 11/24/00
Dream I was told by someone who was a
athiest"god wants you to do more to get in shape(words to
that effect)." Then me and two friends were at a building(we
might have been on some sort of movie lot, I am not sure),
they wanted me to throw a bottle of salt through a window. I
refused so one of them did it. We left with us laughing.
Comments by Dreamer I am curious as to what this means.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:34:40 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: jawbreaker
Dream Title jawbreaker
Date of Dream 11-22-00
Dream dreamt i was clenching my teeth so
hard it felt like i had lock jaw-i have this dream often and
it is very painful but do not feel sore when i wake up. this
particular dream i was talking to my sister(or trying to)and
then i spit out what i thought were tooth shavings (that's
what it looked like) in my hand and my sister said "oh, it's
just ice" Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:34:20 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: MOM/LorisAngel
Dream Title MOM/LorisAngel
Date of Dream don't remember
Dream I'm standing next to a small ditch
(about 1 1/2 feet wide), on the other side is my mom. On the
other side are also caskets, I can't really see them, I just
know they are there and that's what they are. I want to be
with my mom, so I start to step across and she stops me. She
won't let me cross. She tells me I can't cross yet. My
brother is there, and my aunt. I cry and ask why can't I
come across, I hate it here and I don't belong. She and the
others laugh and say "you don't belong here either".
Comments by Dreamer My mother died in 1983, my brother
in 1973...I often dream of my mother and it is as though she
were still alive. Same type of dreams about my brother, just
not as often. The dreams are so real that I fully expect to
see them when I wake, and it's a while before I realize it
was only a dream and they are dead.Often in the dreams we
are living in a house that we've never even seen before, but
again when I wake to this reality I'm suprised and very
disappointed that it was just a dream!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:37:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Angel or Symbolism?
Dream Title Angel or Symbolism?
Date of Dream July of 1999; middle of the night
Dream I have had what people might say
a rough childhood. I was dealing with a rough time and I
went to sleep really petrified adn trembling. In my dream I
was in the house I lived in at the time sitting on the steps
that lead from the living room to the family room. It was
really dark and the only light that shine was from the stars
and moonlight. I remembered I was frightened and I was
holding something. It was my dog or something. Well,
something was trying to get me and I looked towards the
sliding glass door and I saw a lady that was flying. She had
a blue dress on that flowed like the dresses on movies and
stuff. But, then the lady went after whatever was attempting
to hurt me. Whatever it was the lady scared it away and then
I felt that the lady was holding me. That was when I woke up
adn I wasn't scared anymore. Please help me figure out what
this dream means. Is it my gurdian angel or is it some kind
of symbolism? Thank you for your time. Comments by Dreamer
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Comments Please feel free to send this to anyone you
might think can help me decifer this dream. I have many many
more that I need help on too. Thanks.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:35:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Sniper guys
Dream Title Sniper guys
Date of Dream a few months a go August 2000
Dream I was running through my school
canteen, there is two entrances, one at either end there
were military guys with sniper guns following me. I got half
way through the canteen heading towards the only other exit
when they started coming through there as well and cut me
off. They were speaking another language of which i seemed
to understand but no one else did, i knew one of the men.
They were wearing balaclavers, the one i seemed to know
instructed me to get on to my needs. As i did another man
put a gun to my head and searched me. They then handcuffed
me and put me into a van, it was like on tv, were they have
them all sitting on either side of the van on a step like
seat and i was chained in the middle. There was then a flash
like thing, were it switched to the next scene in like a
movie. It was a really beautiful place, i was walking down a
corridor chained to the rain. Then i was taken into a room,
which was like a court above me a figure i respected
appeared. Told me i was forgiven, and that i could take my
rightful place again in the country...do you understand any
of that coz i don't???! Comments by Dreamer Permission to
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:33:52 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Crash landing/streethopper
Dream Title Crash landing/streethopper
Date of Dream 11/21 early am I think
Dream This part of the dream flows
naturally from a first part which I can barely recall. I go
home to walk my dog. Home in this case is my childhood house
and neighborhood which is both familiar and non-familiar at
the same time. I begin to walk the dog and from this point
of the dream the dog is no longer a part of what happens. As
I walk I am amazed at how effortless it is and how strong
and good I feel. I begin to run,just wanting to stretch out
and enjoy this weightless athleticism. I begin to soar over
people and cars down below. The enjoyment is only
momentary,however,and is replaced by a feeling of being out
of control. The strides have become so long, the speed so
fast that I feel I will never come down.I make the decision
to come down although I recognize that it is may be
dangerous to do so. The spot I choose to skid to a halt
happens to be the house next door to my childhood home and I
am afraid if I do not put down there I will never have a
chance to do so. I manage to crash down and as I slowly
emerge from a kind of fog as if coming to I notice a man's
face peering at me through the dark. It is a rather
frightening experience. I might mention that it is night now
and has been throughout the dream.He communicates to me that
I was reported to be a suspicious character and on my way
and also states that I stink of alcohol although I insist
that I have not been dinking. I am brought into the house
and there are other people there (I think a man and a
woman.) I am very suspicious of them but I am not sure
why.After talking with them I am almost ready to believe
that what has occurred is the result of some physical
problem. I even suggest that it might be a diabetic coma. At
this point I notice that my clothes and particularly my
shirt which happens to be a very expensive shirt (that I
have been lusting after in real life but which I have
avoided buying because of the cost,) is scraped and worn
thin as if through road burns.I realize that I have indeed
crashed down as I originally thought and that the whole
experience was not the result of disease. I am increasingly
suspicious of the other figures but at this point I wake
very troubled and shaken by the dream.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 49
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Dragon
From: Anonymous
2. White flash
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:53:51 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Dragon
Dream Title The Dragon
Date of Dream 1985-86
Dream I'm in my home town, all I remember
about the dream is I'm sitting on the ground against some
bushes and all of the sudden a huge red Dragon appears. I'm
so terrified that I can't move. After what seems hours
sitting there stareing at the dragon I eventually say "go
away" and the dragon disappears.
Comments by Dreamer I was four or five when I dreamt
this and It has alwas been in the back of my mind.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:53:29 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: White flash
Dream Title White flash
Date of Dream
Dream First i saw a coffin that i knew my
uncle was in. My step aunt and cousin were standing there.
She was holding him and then handed him over to a tall black
man who was standing on the other side of the coffin. The
man smiled and hugged my cousin. They both seemed really
happy. (I would like to add that i dont have a bad
realtionship with them at all. My step aunt is really sweet
and toby is the cutest kid in the world.) Then there was a
white flash and i awoke i think. I honestly think i was
awake. I opened my eyes and looked aound my room but the
light was too bright inthere so i shut my eyes. There was
this overwhelming feeling going through me. It was amazing.
I felt for some reason like I was in God's presence because
i was just overwhelmed with happiness. Comments by Dreamer
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 50
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. BACK FROM THE DEAD-Im living a Stephen King movie
From: Anonymous
2. cheating boyfriend
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:46:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: BACK FROM THE DEAD-Im living a Stephen King movie
Dream Title BACK FROM THE DEAD-Im living a
Stephen King movie
Date of Dream 00-11-27
Dream It was clear night and I came back
to life from the dead as an evil person, there was a few
other people with me. We were on some sort of mission to
Terrorize and torment people.
Comments by Dreamer I dont remember too much about my
dream. I dreamt the same dream for two consecutive days and
then again two days later. I dont recognize the people i was
comitting evil acts against but those i came bavk to life
with. I didnt see my death or burial just my rising. It
reminded me of pet cemetarty.
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Permission Comments Pleas help me interpret this dream
as it is reoccuring.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:01:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: cheating boyfriend
Dream Title cheating boyfriend
Date of Dream nov and oct, 2000
Dream well i have had many dreams were my
boyfriend is cheating on me.
the first one we were having some kind of party at home, i
was trying to get this boy to go to the hospital with me
cause he broke his arm. and i went to tell my boyfreind
wesley and his sisters friend is sitting on his lap (in my
dream she was on his lap the night before in the same). i
got all mad and went to the house to pack our son and my
things. he came up and said nothing that i can remember, i
broke the tv, i tryed calling my mom but could get ahold of
her. at some point i was yelling at him and then i woke up.
my second dream was about he went to the movies with some
girls some guy was joking about it thinking that i wasn't
there or something, i said i was going to call him at the
movie thearter and he jump my case about, thats all
iremember about that dream.
my third dream was about it was a snowy day and a bunch of
people were there and some how i found it he was cheating on
me and i remember yelling alot and eveyone looking at me and
i told his mother why i was yelling, he kept going away
ingoring me cause i wanted to talk about it, finally after
he done that a few times we were talking outside and we made
up and he was carring me around in some big building, we
were laughing and having fun then i woke up. ]
my fourth dream was about we were camping the whole family,
a bunch of girls was around , some how i found out again and
was doing more yelling, the girls tryed to kick me out of
our room and i told wesleys mom that and she made them
leave, they were using my make up. me wesley was talking
later in a bathroom i think that it was i don't beleive we
ever made up. later me and his parents i think it was, was
driving around doing something. i think we were chasing a
kid. and then i woke up.
Comments by Dreamer why am i keep on dreaming that my
boyfriend is cheating on me what can it mean, he doesn't
ever go anywhere. every once in a while with his guy friends
he don't know but maybe 2 girls he talks to and there old
and have kids of there own. can you please e - mail what my
dream means i can't afford to buy anything and have no
credit card and this ain't my computer either its my
computer at work. please, i think my family is falling
apart, we do actually have a son to together, please please,
i grew u pwith out a father and i don't want him to. thank
you for reading my dreams. and possiably send me a meaning
to them by email.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 51
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: cheating boyfriend
From: Heratheta
2. lalala
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:59:34 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: cheating boyfriend
there's an answer in the free dream e-book at
www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:08:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: lalala
Dream Title lalala
Date of Dream kwdfnasdj we
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flasndf ask;dfnhskdjfn asjke sdnfjksaf nasdjkfnk asdkf
kasdnf asdjk nsd asdkfnds asdklfnsladfn asdnfknas
kansdfkjnasdjkf asdhfaskdfhaweuihtruksn asd fjasdnfjkn
akawenr skfnas nsdfnlasjkfn wertoqweirlawkrnf sad as
asdfhasfkl;ji asdnf asd sd fjklnasdfjknqwerionfuiawns
sdkfnk werkh
Comments by Dreamer wfnjasndfjkn wejfk werjfnasdkjfn
asdmvlasdmf lwerilj sdf[aslrfm sdrfm s efmlasmflasdfkmfs
sj sokdmflkwmerkljiordmf sdfm w s lsdklfm lslsdjf sdklmfs
sdmlsdkfj ower er rj s dfl;m lsdflmsl fklms
sdklfnmslfmwoeirft on werflsdm.k sk.vsklmriofnmsiogf s; ;
we f wefr
w welfml l;wmkef; we;of,sl;d sekf;
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 52
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dead People
From: Anonymous
2. Re: Digest Number 49
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
3. re: quoting and re-distributing dreams from dream-
flow
From: Anonymous
4. Re: Digest Number 49
From: AngstRidn
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:54:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Dead People
Dream Title Dead People
Date of Dream 11/29/9:3011/29/9pm
Dream I have been having trouble with my
blood pressure & an ear infection. For 2 nights I have
dreamed of dead people I know. Last night I dreamed I saw
this man I know is dead pulling a coffin with flowers on top
up the street very slow. I was riding in a car
Comments by Dreamer I was frightened
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:48:34 -0000
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
Subject: Re: Digest Number 49
I am starting up a dream web page and i was wondering if i
could use your dreams on the personal dreams section?
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Dragon From: "Wilkerson, Richard"
<rcwilk@dreamgate.com> 2. White flash From: "Wilkerson,
Richard" <rcwilk@dreamgate.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:53:51 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Dragon
Dream Title The Dragon
Date of Dream 1985-86
Dream I'm in my home town, all I remember
about the dream is I'm sitting on the ground against some
bushes and all of the sudden a huge red Dragon appears. I'm
so terrified that I can't move. After what seems hours
sitting there stareing at the dragon I eventually say "go
away" and the dragon disappears.
Comments by Dreamer I was four or five when I dreamt
this and It has alwas been in the back of my mind.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:53:29 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: White flash
Dream Title White flash
Date of Dream
Dream First i saw a coffin that i knew my
uncle was in. My step aunt and cousin were standing there.
She was holding him and then handed him over to a tall black
man who was standing on the other side of the coffin. The
man smiled and hugged my cousin. They both seemed really
happy. (I would like to add that i dont have a bad
realtionship with them at all. My step aunt is really sweet
and toby is the cutest kid in the world.) Then there was a
white flash and i awoke i think. I honestly think i was
awake. I opened my eyes and looked aound my room but the
light was too bright inthere so i shut my eyes. There was
this overwhelming feeling going through me. It was amazing.
I felt for some reason like I was in God's presence because
i was just overwhelmed with happiness. Comments by Dreamer
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Comments just let me know what everyone thinks
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 52
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:35:22 -0000
From: "Tiffany * Johnson" <weed_is_sold
Subject: Re: Digest Number 52
Nan sure will..I havent decided on any yet because i havent
gotten to that page yet really..Thank you very much i
appreciate it. Tiffany
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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. ending - raben
From: Anonymous
2. PAL OR LOVE?
From: Anonymous
3. The Ex. Angel152x
From: Anonymous
4. Amy S.
From: Anonymous
5. morpho
From: Anonymous
6. Kitty
From: Anonymous
7. Physical Deformity in a Dream
From: Anonymous
8. my man on his Harley
From: Anonymous
9. Help Dreams
From: Anonymous
10. Watcing a car Accident
From: Anonymous
11. Death by Tobacco With The Face of an Invisible Boy,
From: Anonymous
12. The House
From: Anonymous
13. Flying in Stages
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:07:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: ending - raben
Dream Title ending - raben
Date of Dream november 2000. between 1 and 6 am
Dream the dream occurs over 4 nites.
the first nite i dreamt i was shot and killed.
the next nite i took a bunch of pills and killed myself.
the third nite i appeared to be in a coma, my entire family
was standing around my hospital bed crying.
on the fourth nite i was simply dead.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:07:07 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: PAL OR LOVE?
Dream Title PAL OR LOVE?
Date of Dream
Dream I have a friend named "JAKE" and i
would never think about dating him in real life. But in my
dream I was frist dating the guy i had been crushing on for
a while then that guy turned into JAKE. And the place (not
remembered) we were at turned into the inside of my house,
my mom was there and so was my dad i hadn't seen in 6 years.
And so we went outside and say under the so called porch we
had and then a window appeared and my mother was in it
cleaning it and she was laughing at me. Then i woke up.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:09:55 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The Ex. Angel152x
Dream Title The Ex. Angel152x
Date of Dream 11/30/00 3:00 am
Dream I had a dream that i saw my ex
boyfriend laying in the park. i go up to him, lay next to
him, and softly kiss him on the side of his right eye. He
looks up at me and says "please...dont" and i ask him why,
as i kiss his lips. he tells me that he's still in love
with me, and he wants to know if i feel the same. A tear
comes out of his left eye.. i tell him that of course i
still love him or i wouldn't be there with him, and we kiss.
After that i woke up
Comments by Dreamer I was just curious on what this
dream means. If there is anyone that can tell me, please
email me at angel152x@hotmail.com thank you :)
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Permission Comments I would not mind if my email
address is posted. i would like some suggestions on what
this dream means.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:05:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Amy S.
Dream Title Amy S.
Date of Dream November 28th, 2000
Dream I dreamt that I started seeing my
ex-boyfriend, whom I don't get along with. We went to a
college party that was at my aunt and uncle's house, for
some reason. We left there, and went to a movie. When we got
in the theatre, it was actually a church. He went and talked
to someone else, who also was a guy I have previously dated.
But in life, they don't know each other. One of his friends
and he started yelling to each other from across the way, so
I yelled at him for raising his voice in the sanctuary. Then
I woke up.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:01:11 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: morpho
Dream Title morpho
Date of Dream 28 november 2000, early morning
Dream I am in my bed, through the window
I hear and then see a sports airplane, the sound of the
motor is growing, until it crashes in the centre of the
village about 3-400 meters from my house. An explosion,
disaster and flames. An old friend of mine living nearby, is
not hurt by the crash. I wake up to the sound of a small
airplane circling above the area
Comments by Dreamer none, besides the real and the
dream plane. As well my irrational ancestral fear of the
menacing sound of propeller motors in a distance
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:02:26 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Kitty
Dream Title Kitty
Date of Dream November 29, 2000 around 4am
Dream I dreamed that my father died. But
while in the casket, he started moving around, then finally
got up and ate dinner with us, told me that he would see me
in heaven and laid back in the coffin. Later I went to the
coffin and it was my husband. But my son and I could hear
him talking to us, so we decided to make Shrimp Fettucini
Alfredo for our last meal with him. We shopped in an open
market for fresh shrimp, and everyone was talking about me
and how sad it was for me to have lost my father then my
husband. We ate with my husband talking in mine and my sons'
head but we could not see him.
Comments by Dreamer I haven't seen my father in years,
we are not very close at all. When I was younger, before Mom
and Dad got divorcesd when I was 8 we were very close.
Nothing new is happening, no new job, no new anything in my
life, but my husband and I are trying to have a baby, still
no luck yet.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:06:45 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Physical Deformity in a Dream
Dream Title Physical Deformity in a Dream
Date of Dream Friday December 1, 2000. 7ish AM
Dream I have always considered myself
lucky that I am able to remember most of my dreams; and I
have very vivid and interesting dreams at that! Normally I
can guess at most of the implications in my dreams, drawing
from daily life, and emotional influences. But lately,
I've had a repetitive THEME in my dreams (not a repetitive
dream), which disturbs me. The senario follows the same
pattern (though the details vary): I find that to walk is
slow, laborious, and awkward; and looking at my feet come to
realize that one of my legs is longer than the other! I can
still get around OK, and it's not a gross deformity, but it
is 'painful', and my dream ME is usually very upset about
it. Since the same theme has repeated itself several times
over the last months, I'm wondering what it might signify.
Could anyone hazard a guess as to what this might mean?
Comments by Dreamer The dream date/time is the latest
occurrence
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:01:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: my man on his Harley
Dream Title my man on his Harley
Date of Dream 11/14/2000
Dream He's packing. He's got a trailer
hooked onto the back of his Harley (which by the way, after
being with him for over 3 years he has never invited me to
ride with him)He's going to go camping in a town about 40
miles away. He takes my dog with him, stops at the end of
the street for the stop sign, the dog gets off, patiently he
puts the dog back on the trailer and takes off. Meanwhile,
the only freind I have who knows of my relationship with
David, her name is Corinna. Corinna & I are in his house
(where I apparently am living in the dream (I wish!!) where
we are looking at pictures he has up on his walls. I see
where he is camping in my dream. He is with lots of kids
(but in real life has never had children) in the camp ground
and they are all playing with my dog and with him. I want to
be there with them but cannot because I was'nt invited. He
knows I am at his house. When he comes back I am cleaning up
MY CAMPING stuff and putting it all away for him! ! just as
I would have done when ever I go camping in the past. I can
no longer go camping because of an injury I have in my neck.
Comments by Dreamer I want to be with this man so much.
I want him to want me to be with him. He had asked me to
stop seeing him in August. I have had a time of it staying
away, He did sleep with me once after that, his iniative. I
tell him when I see him I miss him. He does'nt like it when
I tell him that. I do visit him and call him occassionally,
just so we can atleast continue our freindship.
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Permission Comments ok good luck!
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:08:28 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Help Dreams
Dream Title Help Dreams
Date of Dream december 2nd 12:48 pm
Dream A friend that I have reciently met,
has been telling me about this dream that keep reoccuring.
He tells me he is in a place with red pillars and whatever
happens in his dream like if an arrow shoots out of one he
will get a scar from it. He thinks he can open other peoples
dreams. Is this possible. He said that he put a gaurd over
me so that no one else can enter my dream. he also said that
one day while he was in utah he was with his friend and his
friends head got blown off by "blackies" ( they are people
who have special power and they can kill people just looking
at them.) He was 11 at the time and he said he drove all
the way back to his house which is like a 3 days drive away
all by himself. Could his dreams be true? He said I have
special powers and he says I have a special weapon which is
a sword. he also says that if I tell anyone there dreams
will automatically be opened and they will die within 3
nights. I find all of this really hard to be! ! lieve? What
should I do? What do these dreams mean? Why is he telling me
and what can I do to help? Please write me back very very
very soon at sexy_sweetheart69@hotmail.com
Comments by Dreamer help please???!
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:09:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Watcing a car Accident
Dream Title Watcing a car Accident
Date of Dream 12-2-00 time unknown early morning
is a good guess.
Dream I was driving on highway, (I do not
recognize the area wile awake),a car traveling in the
oncoming lane of traffic,swerves into my lane and back out
again. Iturn and look over my shoulder as the car continues
past me, as I comment , to my daugter, "look at him", I keep
watcing te car. Suddenly te car accelerates extremely fast
and swerves off the road into the side of a gas station. The
car goes through the stor taking out the corner of te
station and several gas pumps. As te car goes troug the
station items fly everywhere,,(while awake I don't know if I
dreamed some of these items are people, but, I feel as toug
I knew in my dream that they were.), I remember seeing a
woman landing or maybe just lying on the ground. I pull off
te road into a gas station across the street. I get gas in
my car. My daughter comments "the guy they just put in the
abulance arm is totally off". I remember thinking I need to
go help, but for some reason, I couldn't bring myself to go
over there. The rest of my dream is trying to get tires on
my car so I could get out of there before the other station
blew up.
Comments by Dreamer I have been botered by this dream
since I woke up. I am not scared or have a really bad
feeling, I don't know what or in what way I am being botered
by it. Can any one shed some light on this dream?
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Permission Comments I give permission to pulish my
dream along with any interpretations and or comments.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:04:51 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Death by Tobacco With The Face of an Invisible Boy,
Dream Title Death by Tobacco With The Face of
an Invisible Boy, Kurai
Date of Dream 07/97 6 AM
Dream This dream takes place with
everyone's feet submerged in water. With the obvious
predream knowledge, the dream starts in the river, but so
you know what I knew in the dream, I will give you a summary
of what was.
They said that the war with indigenous people was almost
over, and that the conquering societies were nearly wiped
out. Experiments had been underway and finally culminated
in an invisibility formula, which I had ingested,
immediately after recruitment. The rest of my part of
society, the Conquerors, had a separate formula which they
took so they could see me as a glowing blue swirly, or so I
was told. Dream time passes and I find myself in the calm
of a river, near evening I think. The sky is a bloody
mixture of reds, mottled with grey and black clouds from
explosions. The banks of the river from a distance are
covered with reeds, but at closer examination, are all
barrels of guns with bullets and fingers as shorter stems
and leaves. Trees out in the distance are not trees, but
missiles with dead white men wrapped around them, guns as
branches, bullets and ears as leaves. Beyond that, many
explosions, miles high in the shape of a very tall cross,
and exploding not radially, but in a +, clearing out X
shaped burns in the land.
I am armed with a strange polymer-coated bayonet, that bends
light so that it is nearly invisible, unless you are paying
close attention and not looking directly at it. I have a
map of the brook, reflecting the red sky. It, the brook, is
shaped like an esophagus, stomach, and small intestine, I am
walking upwards, towards the stomach via small intestine.
As I approach the widening of the stomach, the sounds of
language, some cheering, and the smell of tobacco become
stronger. As I enter the stomach, directly in front of me
is the remnants of the last tree for miles. It is only a
stump with a green shoot about 2 feet tall and only has 3
leaves on it. It is the sweetest smelling tree, smelling
like cherry pipe tobacco, before burning.
I look to my left, up the esophagus, and lining the banks
are native Americans, most have large guns and many other
weapons. They have very undefined faces, all with noses,
eyes, mouths, lips, and ears, and all look different from
one another, but no definition. The "Chief" has his back to
me and is speaking in some foul cross between Spanish, TV
Indian, and German or some related language. Cheers and
clapping continue for a few more minutes and then they
break. EVERYONE takes out packs of cigarettes, all the same
brand, and begins to chain smoke them like you'd think there
was nothing else to do but smoke these cigarettes. After a
few minutes, a group of 3 boys, one with the least defined
face and the chubbiest, smoothest body, head towards the
stump, and I follow. They are talking in that same horrid
language and laughing. All I catch is white people are
finally almost dead, in Spanish... The fat faceless kid
looks at the small shoot and picks one of the leaves as he !
! lights another cigarette.
None of them could have been older than 16 or 17, but they
were the frontline in the worst war in man's history. I
take a closer look at him and his features become even less
defined, and the closer I get, the less defined until he had
nothing but holes for a nose, a line for a mouth and the
MOST Defined eyes I have ever seen... every detail reflected
in his eyes. He is taking drags off his cigarette and
reaching for the shoot again... I reach my arm out, grab his
fat fleshy left arm and use my bayonet to cut off his hand.
He lets out a scream but the two other boys pay no
attention, just laughing at his last comment. with the gun
cocked and loaded, and my finger on the trigger, I put the
barrel over his heart and whisper "We will win, you have
lost and will all die." they all take out another cigarette
and light up. He takes 2 drags and I notice a logo around
the bass near the filter end is a face. A familiar face.
MY face. I look at the pack and my face in a circ! ! le, in
an alfred e. newman-like expression, is brandished proudly,
the name of the cigarettes "What did you expect".
I begin to laugh to myself and poke at the fat fleshy chest
of the now smoking, crying because he is missing a hand,
Indian and shout "Die! Die! Die! Die! Die!" He lets out a
final breath and his eyes glaze over, his hands drop
everything they were holding and his chest stops moving. I
pull the trigger and the bullet rips off his entire back and
he falls into the river, turns face down, and his back
begins to fill with water and he sinks. The two other
Indians stand there, blink once, Shout something in that god
awful language, and the whole tribe begins to laugh.
In the distance I see 8 airplanes and a blue swirly inside
of one of 3 helicopters. about 5 miles away, a small
mushroom cloud in a cross looking extra-righteous erupts and
the dream blends into another...
Comments by Dreamer the racial slang is not to be taken
as such, but in the dream it was serious. I am not racist,
nor religious.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:10:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: The House
Dream Title The House
Date of Dream Dec 02, 2000 1pm-3:30pm
Dream I dream this dream about 3, 4 times
a year.
I have had this dream for about 15 years, the first few
times I am alone in the dream. I find this house and I go in
it and explore, it has many rooms, which are all furnished
with someone else's stuff. There are so many rooms that I
never finish exploring.
This I dream for a few times the same thing over and over.
Now I am dreaming the same dream but my first husband (whom
I was still with at the time) has now entered the dream. It
is the same dream exactly but with him in it. This goes on
for about 5, 6 years. There is no one thing different, we
explore the house and can never finish all the rooms. Next I
dream this dream but my first husband brings his sister into
the house with us, I am very upset in the dream because she
does not belong there. I wake up before the dream can
continue. ( My mood for the next two days was depressed).
I did not dream this dream for about 3 years, in which time
I divorced my husband met a new man and remarried.
So then I dreamt this dream again, but things were a bit
different. The rooms brighter, I feel more comfortable there
and I get farther into the house explore more rooms before I
awake and I get to go outside to the front porch. But I am
alone again. I have had this dream with my new husband for
the last 5 years with no difference acurring in the dream.
Now yesterday afternoon during my nap I dreamt this dream
again. This time everything was different. The house is now
mine, only my stuff is in it, and my new husband and my
children are in it with me.
I must add during these dreams I always know that I am
dreaming and I am looking forward to the exploring part
always wondering if I can get farther before I wake up.
Yesterday, in my dream I was amazed that this was finally my
home, but kinda sad that the exploring was done.
Any comments on this would be great as I often wondered the
meaning of this.
Thanks B
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:07:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Flying in Stages
Dream Title Flying in Stages by Montana
Wildhack
Date of Dream February 26, 1994
Dream I suddenly learned that I could
fly. I'd practice taking off from various positions. I was
having a wonderful time. But I was only flying so high as
above telephone wires. I'd fly around and keep my eyes open
for wires, but was having so much fun flying. There were
some thoughts about whether I should let people see me
taking off, or if I should hide it, but in the end I didn't
care - I just loved flying and I didn't care who knew.
Then, as I was flying, I came up to an obstruction. It was a
huge tent that I couldn't fly over, and couldn't fly through
because it was filled with things and had steel rods and
wires and dim, dim lights in the ceiling that would tangle
me up. So I had to walk through it. It was dark, dirty. It
had military vehicles and personnel in it. I had to walk a
narrow passage between the wall and vehicles, then the wall
and a huge flat bed covered with dirt. There were dirty,
disgruntled, slow, rude soldiers in front of me. I ! ! said
"Excuse me", to let them know I wanted to go through, but
they just grunted, were rude, and continued to go slowly
without letting me by. So, I said to myself "Military
decorum" and then followed them patiently past the truck.
They sidled past the bed, but it was too narrow for me - I
almost got stuck - so I crawled up on the dirt bed and
across it to freedom. From there, the way was clear out of
the dark, dirty tent. I rushed out of the tent, into the
sunlight, and saw it was beautiful, brillinat, and that my
way (to fly) was completly clear and unobstructed. As I was
flying, I was flying higher than the telephone wires. But I
realized I may run into an airplane. I wasn't sure I'd see
or hear one coming, and I certainly knew they weren't
expecting to see me. But I decided to keep an eye out and
to look over my shoulder from time to time to make sure one
wasn't coming up from behind me. If one did, I decided I'd
turn my direction up or down to get out of the way. ! ! I
knew to be cautious and felt I could avoid any trouble. I
flew joyfully. I was next in a store and bought some
beautiful things. I was so happy. As I walked out of the
mall - a beautiful mall - there was a wide walkway with
beautiful colorful overhead lights on the ceiling. I decided
to fly over the other people (on the walkway) and under the
lights and out into the open spaces. I was SO happy. Once I
got out into the open spaces, I flew around with my packages
and came to a quaint little downtown area, full of shops and
people. The people were looking up at the rooftop of one
shop, where a man dressed in a colorful superhero costume
was standing. He'd jump off, fly around in circles above
their heads, then land and tell them all about it. The idea
was almost like he was selling something. To the right was
another man in a superhero costume, taking off and landing
from the middle of the street, doing the same thing. They
could only fly so high, like me. I saw they were flying,
but I sensed a difference between me and them, and so did
they. I wondered how they could fly, then shrugged it off,
then turned and flew away. They
followed me and then flew
ahead of me. Then I saw how they flew - they had little
motor rockets attached to their backs under their capes. At
that time I saw way up in the sky, out in space, a beautiful
cluster of golden stars shaped like golden buildings. I
instantly wanted to be up there among these stars more than
anything in the world. The very idea filled me with such
joy and longing. They saw the stars too, and we all turned
upward, trying to reach the stars. But each one of them in
turn fell when their motor sputtered and failed. I however
went straight up to the stars. It was glorious. I was right
out in the middle of outer space, among the stars,
completley free. I flew, did turns, I stopped still in
space and danced and twirled. I loved it. I was never so
happy and free in all my life. I thought! ! for a moment to
watch out for airplanes, but then I knew that I knew how to
avoid them. I awoke with such joy.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 55
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
3. birthday car thieves
From: stan kulikowski ii
<stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:28:29 -0800
From: stan kulikowski ii <stankuli@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: birthday car thieves
Note: stan requests his name and e be kept with this dream
text. editor
DATE : 4 dec 2000 09:47 DREAM : birthday car thieves
=( last night mom and i got home from visiting my sister on
bainbridge island. i went there to be with my mother on her
80th birthday. the airplanes were uneventful all day.
julius picked us up around 23:30. it was cold at home so i
lit a fire and we watched an episode of _dr who_ before
going to bed around 02:30. i have been worried since friday
(two days ago) about a request for my transcripts by the
chairman of computer science. i have been working the last
five weeks without pay, developing a new course in www
programming. it is about half done and scheduled for me to
teach next month. his message implied that if i do not have
18 hrs of computer science credit in my transcripts, i can
not teach even as a half paid adjunct as i have done here
for years. i never took any computer courses when i was a
graduate student twenty years ago. i started working with
computers just after my doctorate, but i have taught much
more than 18 hours of CS courses in the last 18 years, but i
am really worried that will not be sufficient for some bean
counter somewhere in admin and i will lose the opportunity
to finish this course preparation. not to mention any
payment for my work. it has gone really well and will be an
impressive web site in a couple semesters. i will take
tomorrow to install all the work i did on my harddisk up in
seattle and go in on tuesday to determine how bad this
situation is. it is possible that i have been worrying over
nothing, but i have not always found fairness and common
sense with school administrators. it comes from the basic
uneven work ethic of tenured shops: to favor a few, value
must be extracted from many others. )=
the work in the research center has been less than engaging.
i have been employed as part of a funded project, but the
tasks i have been assigned are mainly custodial statistics,
data mining in large rather unstructured field studies of
vague procedures. i decided long ago that the principle
investigator does not know what she is doing, but i try my
best to convince her and the others in the project of how
things should proceed. usually i am unsuccessful in this
and only incur the resentment of the others. reason is not
the guiding principle in most research, especially that
funded by government grants seeking to redress some bland
political issues, like education.
i suppose that is why i am separated from the rest of the
workers in my project. their desks are scattered around in
the large room next to mine, while i work in this windowless
pantry. originally, a storage room but now the computer
center for the 'team'. my colleagues sit out there
designing the field interventions while i have been put back
here with the LAN servers to receive their data and then
tell them what is significant in their results. hardly a
profitable or healthy working environment.
a knock on the door and the head of someone from across
campus sticks in the door. "busy?" he asks.
"nothing that can't wait." i say, taking my hands from the
keyboard. i recognize this man from the engineering
department. someone i respect. indeed, as he comes,
several others from his department file in behind him.
they spread out into the various mismatched chairs i keep
for the times that i have to accommodate various groups in
service delivery. the leader takes out several small
plastic baggies that contain bits of green melted blobs. he
hands one to me without saying anything. the other baggies
he passes to the others for their inspection.
i look closely at the contents of the baggie. there are
about nine or ten pieces of some shattered thing that
appears to have been partially melted. i think maybe they
were pieces of a circuit board. each irregular bit is a
little larger than a nickel. when i feel one inside the
baggie, it has a soft jelly like exterior with the core
feeling brittle and solid.
"is this what i think it is?" i ask the man dispensing the
packets. genetic firmware. he says nothing but smiles back
at me. i heard that someone over in engineering was doing
revolutionary work on combining hardware into self
programming neural nets.
i take out a loupe to magnify one of the dots contained in
the green goo on the edges of the blobs. sure enough, when
i see it up close, i can just make out the etched logic
circuits inside chip units connected in parallel with
thousands of hairlike optical fibers. fantastic work.
we pass around the baggies. most of them have sparser,
fewer bits inside them, a paler shade of green. i suppose
these are earlier prototypes that led to the rich set i was
given. this is an impressive bit of work that will change
the shape of computer hardware. no more heat build up or
power supply problems.
"we know it is your birthday." one of the others in the
room is a pretty blonde woman that i hardly know from across
campus. "we at the IAP office want to take you out for
lunch." she tells me. "can you come?"
"of course." i reply. she could ask me to go anywhere. i
notice that i do not have any shoes or socks on. "i will
have to find my shoes though."
they gather up the samples of the firmware and leave my
office with promises to meet me at the favorite watering
hole downtown. every think tank seems to have one.
i go out into the main project area looking for my footware.
my colleagues are puzzled by the group exodus from my room,
but ask no questions or express any real curiosity. i doubt
anyone here has any notion or interest that today is my
birthday. most of them think of me as a janitor, someone
faceless to clean up data and show them how their software
works.
well, i can not find any shoes. i see some pink slippers in
the corner of my room, but they are large shaggy things just
good for keeping warm late at night. not something i can
wear downtown. nothing for it but to run home for a pair of
shoes. if i hurry i can make it without being late to
lunch.
i tell the boss that i will probably be off for the rest of
the afternoon. she frowns as usual but says nothing. i do
most of my work after they go home for the evening. my
being here at all during the day with nothing to do but busy
work is primarily for social tolerance with the others.
they think they need someone to do the janitorial computing
for them if they get really stuck with their processes they
barely understand. that is how they think research is done.
floundering with the unknown, waiting for it to suddenly
come together and make sense. it is at best difficult to
contract intellect.
i leave the building and go out into the little parking lot
in front. my car is not there. i can not recall where i
left it, so i head around to the larger side lot.
in the second row i find it, but something is not right. i
drive a black BMW 507, but the top is down and i rarely
leave it that way at work. as i approach i now see
someone's head pop up in the cockpit. he was apparently
fumbling under the dashboard, probably trying to find my
hidden kill switch.
car thieves are always a worry for us who drive exotic cars.
as i come up behind i see that the hood has been removed and
the engine has been partly dismantled. not being able to
start the car, it has been hastily stripped of most of its
parts. that means this can not be a one person job, it
would take too long to strip the parts alone.
as the man is getting out of my car, he still has not
noticed me. as i grab him by the collar from behind, i hear
someone coming around the next car say "uhoh, i think this
is the CO." i assume 'CO' means car owner.
the other person comes at me, trying for group defense. i
see at least two others jump up from surrounding cars. i
can not let them get together. i take the man i have hold
of and bash him against the car. he falls unconscious
immediately.
rather than waiting for them to come together, i rush
forward. being really angry has given me an adrenaline
rush, so i seem to get stronger and larger. the second guy,
now small in comparison, is but a moment to grab him up and
bang his head on the ground. two down. i make it to the
third and similarly knock him out. now the last two guys
that i can see turn to run. they separate so i can only
chase one of them down.
when i catch the fourth thief, we are halfway down the
block. he struggles a bit, but i punch him out with my
fist. that hurts my hand, but i will not be needing to do
that again. any others have dispersed.
i sling the unconscious guy over my shoulder and head back
towards my car. i wonder how i can tie them all up. maybe
with cable ties that i might still have in my trunk. i do
not get very far before a police cruiser pulls up, wondering
why i am carrying a limp body. where were they when the
thieves were ripping my car apart?
=( i wake up 09:30. i think most of this dream is easy to
interpret, given my recent worries about my work. in comic
books, solutions are almost always obtained with a punch
out. this seems to be the same psychological mechanism in
play. something in the adolescent world view wants
resolution by the judicious use of controlled power. )=
stankuli@gulf.net
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 56
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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. I'm losing my baby
From: Anonymous
2. her dress slides higher
From: Anonymous
3. Wrong Name
From: Anonymous
4. Re: I'm losing my baby
From: Heratheta
5. Re: Wrong Name
From: Heratheta
6. Re: her dress slides higher
From: Heratheta
7. Confused?
From: Anonymous
8. die alone with cats?
From: Anonymous
9. Cheating
From: Anonymous
10. pet problems peacock blue
From: Anonymous
11. this girl were lying
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:07:15 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: I'm losing my baby
Dream Title I'm losing my baby
Date of Dream 2000/12/04about 4am South african
time.
Dream Hi
I am a South African woman aged 24, I am pregnant and my
fiancee' and I have recently broken up. I had a dream where
i found my self waking up and I was bleeding and started
shouting hysterically that "i'm losing my baby, I'm losing
my baby", but I was refusing to go to a hospital. I am very
worried, should I go to see my doctor to make sure
everything's alright? I am currently 19 weeks pregnant my
last sonar was on 13/11/2000 and the baby was fine then. I
haven't felt any movements yet some people say it is still
early. Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:08:28 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: her dress slides higher
Dream Title her dress slides higher
Date of Dream 01/12/00
Dream Well, to understand the dream,
there is a little history. I am in love with a married woman
who has children. This will help better understand what
happens in the dream.
I am in the garden of my house with her and her 3 year old
daughter is close by, a little while later, my brother is
standing next to me ( I have a great relationship with my
brother). She then sits on the ground with open legs and
beckons her daughter to come to her and she lays her on her
lap as if to put her to sleep. However, slowly her dress
slides higher and higher up her leg till you can catch a
glimpse of her underwear. She then raises her hand to touch
my brother's groin area. I try to signal to her to stop but
she pays no attention. Then in a blur, she is topless still
with her hand in his groin area. I shout for her to stop,
yet she doesn't pay the slightest attention.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:04:45 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Wrong Name
Dream Title Wrong Name
Date of Dream November 25, 2000 3:00am
Dream I have an online friend. He and I
have been corresponding for some time now and hope to meet
one day in real life. I have cut off contact with other
guys that I had been corresponding with when he and I became
involved seriously. One of my biggest fears was/is emailing
him with another guy's name attached to it such as Dear John
instead of Dear Bob. The current guy that I am
corresponding with knows that he is not the first one that I
have corresponded with on the Internet. The dream I had was
that I sent him an email and used Dear John and not Dear
Bob, he was very upset and wanted to talk immediately about
it. I woke up and my heart was pounding, I hope that this
never happens to me as it would make for a very
uncomfortable situation.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:16:14 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: I'm losing my baby
there's a free answer at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:17:15 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: Wrong Name
there's a free answer at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:18:47 EST
From: Heratheta
Subject: Re: her dress slides higher
there's a free answer at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:45:23 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Confused?
Dream Title Confused?
Date of Dream December 4 (all night)
Dream Last night I had a dream about
babysitting a little boy and he climbed onto a latter and
fell off and died. After all that his dad got me arrested
and put in jail.....but in my dream I never went to jail it
was basically just me suffering over the thought for going
to jail for 2 and 1/2 years. What really gets me is that not
many people came into my dream only my moma and my preacher?
What does this dream mean....I am very confused because I
have not had a dream in a while and all of the sudden I had
a really bad one that made me wake up in the middle of the
night and cry myself back to sleep.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:08:32 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: die alone with cats?
Dear Dream Staff,
I have a bet going with my best friend. Last night I dreamt
that I found 4 stray cats in my house. They wouldn't leave
and they looked clean, so I kept them. Two of the cats were
black and orange, one was fat and one wasn't. The other 2
cats were both fluffy and white, and once again, one was
fatter than the other. I also remember being alone and
going through a whole bag of cat food because I already have
2 cats. My cats liked the stray cats also.
The bet is this: does this mean I will die alone in a house
full of cats with no husband and no children as I feel I am
destined to do? Or is my friend right and I have nothing to
worry about?
N.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:50:43 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Cheating
Dream Title Cheating
Date of Dream 4:00am
Dream I have dreams everynight that i
cheat on my boyfriend
Comments by Dreamer
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:52:40 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: pet problems peacock blue
Dream Title pet problems peacock blue
Date of Dream repeatedly at night
Dream I come to my home and discover I
have forgotten to care for (feed, water, clean up for) many
small caged pets in my home. They are all near death and I
feel very guilty about forgetting to take care of my pets.
The pets include birds, guinea pigs, fish, etc.
Comments by Dreamer I have this dream over and over
again, year after year
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments I would like anyone's
interpretation and know
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:53:50 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: this girl were lying
Dream Title this girl were lying
Date of Dream
Dream i had a dream that me and this girl
were lying on a couch in my house w/o clothes on
Comments by Dreamer i have had this dream 4 nights in a
row
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 57
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Kimbo
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:50:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Kimbo
Dream Title Kimbo
Date of Dream 12/6/00 3am
Dream I am currently pregnant with my
third child and have had been having recurring dreams about
my oldest son, who is four. In each dream, the location and
exact situation is different, but the theme is basically the
same. I have lost my son, and can't find him. While
dreaming I can see my son and how scared and frightened he
is as he is wandering the streets, but 'me' in the dream can
not see this and doesn't know where to even look. I'm
hysterical when I wake up lately and am starting to dread
going to sleep. I found him in the dream I had last night,
but it's the hysterical feeling that I've lost him. I'm not
really superstitious about dreams coming true, but I can't
stop worrying that this may become a reality, so I have been
talking with my son about what to do if we are ever
separated. The dreams are starting to effect my work as I'm
started to panic during the day that he's okay and at
daycare. This morning it took me half an hour to leave him
at daycare, I was scared to leave. Initially the dreams
didn't bother me, but because they are recurring so
frequently, I'm really struggling.
Please help me understand the meaning of this dream, besides
the fact that I am a crazy neurotic pregnant mother.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 58
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Burial
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:42:55 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Burial
Dream Title Burial
Date of Dream Dec.4 2a.m.
Dream Two nights ago I had a dream that I
was watching myself about to get buried, but I was still
alive, and they had mummificated me. I remember saying,but
I'm not dead yet, and a man said but you will be.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 59
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. confused
From: Anonymous
2. "So Was It Or Wasn't It?
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:34:02 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: confused
Dream Title confused
Date of Dream 12/4/00-6:00 AM.
Dream I was walking in what appeared to
be a mall when I looked down and notice I'm holding a tiny
infant. Then Suddenly I'm running around trying to get
somewhere but I don't know where. People around are wanting
to hold my baby but I say no then I come across a woman in
her mid-twenties who asks to hold my daughter, thus telling
me now the sex of the child I'm caring. She also has a
infant in her arms. I reply yes she asks me then what's her
name I reply shania. I see the face of this child and feel
an ease as if I've always known this child. The woman
responds by telling me that's beautiful, and how beautiful
she is. But as I hand my daughter to this woman someone else
grabs her a stranger then this person begins throwing her to
another person and then another; during this I'm reaching
for her crying out give her to me. They are saying here hold
her and wow what a pretty baby then toss her to someone else
again. I finally get her back, but she isn't the same she
has disintegrated back into a tiny fetus in my arms. I run
up these stairs suddenly the stairs turn to escalators and
my boss is at the top sweeping asking me what are you
holding i tell her it's my baby she says ugh! Then
water falls on my fetus and I'm trying to blow air back into
her body but I wake up with this uncertain/ uneasy feeling
of loss.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:46:48 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: "So Was It Or Wasn't It?
Dream Title "So Was It Or Wasn't It? By: verro
Date of Dream Late August,1988(...not sure about
the exact date)
Dream HELLO,I Hope you can help me. In 1988, I had an
experience that really shook me up. Not because I hadn't
already had several unexplained "happenings", and needed"
convincing". I have, for the the entire 42 year span of my
life, believed, no, KNOWN of life's "other-than-just-this-
ness".I "awoke" from a nap, stretched, positioned my pillow
back to its usual place heard my boyfriend commenting to the
current football game on T.V. certain "expletives" and
started walking from the bed through the hall towards the
living-room,(an area of about 15 or 20 ft.) and instantly
realized I was not in THIS body !!! I in that instant became
jus t consciousness, no body, traveling "backwards" at
phenomenal speed! I feel I m ust prelude this next part so
that you understand that it all happened inan instant,
which, by my definition means, less than a second of time,
and"IT" all happened at that same, exact instant, but which
takes several minutes for me to TRY to translate into our
common language, and for me, extremely inadequate when it
comes to this..................so I'm traveling "backwards"
at a rate of speed previously unfathomable to me, I "see" a
type of "revolving door", if you will, and the 'souls'(I
guess it would be better to say, etherial bodies?)of people
who were/are trying to get into a space in the door as it
goes round tenable them to enter back into their earth
bodies, but I see that they are unable to do so for
different reasons. Some because of a sudden and/orunforseen
death, when at the instant of their exit, left them stranded
and afraid. Others because although maybe unexpected or not,
have no one left behind who either loved them strongly
enough, or were 'attached' to them somehow, or
didn't/doesn't come see that person's body that still
"exists" or doesn't believe or doesn't let go, etc... I saw
them "trapped" there, unable to return or move on. I, in
that same instant, KNEW that same terror and it was made
known to me right then, qoute/unquote; "stay afraid stay
trapped, relax into the Father's arms and..."...I DID and...
BAM(!), I wasINSTANTLY "SNAPPED" back into my body with a
violent "THRUST" and snappedto my feet...I HAD NOT AWOKEN AT
ALL?... OH YES I HAD! JUST AS REAL AS IWAS NOW...OH GOD AM I
NOW... BECAUSE I WAS JUST THEN... I AM NOW... OR?...I
SCREAMED FOR AS LONG AS I COULD IN ONE BREATH... I was
screaming my waythrough SHEER TERROR into what I hoped would
be REALITY!!! My boyfriendcame running, I told him what
happened as I was crying uncontrollably. Helaid me down and
held me... and for the next (aprox.) 12 HOURS(!), everytime
I started to slip into sleep... "it" started to happen
again...and again...and again...but I could not muster up
enough energy to stand on my feet to try and stay awake,
even with my boyfriend's muscle to help me. So, there we lay
for all those hours until my boyfriend, who, although was a
believer in a "christian" type faith of his own, was NOT a
religious man,(by resentment of the "DOGMA" of "RELIGION",
some of his words, not just myview of him) started saying;
"I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST OVER THISGIRL, PROTECT
HER WITH THE LIGHT OF YOUR LOVE, SATAN GET THE HELL OUT
OFHERE AND AWAY FROM HER NOW! IN THE NAME OF JESUS...I awoke
about 30, yes,THIRTY HOURS LATER!... it's never happened
again... BUT... several other things did which led up to THE
MOST SPIRITUAL dream of my life!!!My boyfriend and I at the
same period of time in which I had the fore mentioned
experience, had not been getting along. He had verbalized
his feelings to me that he felt I was holding a part of my
heart back from him, which was in response to my verbalizing
to him that I knew he was" screwing-around" with other women
and I wanted explanations for hiswhere-abouts at certain
times in our 2&1/2 yr. relationship, which up untilthat
point, had not EVER brought up. Before then I truly felt
...better NOTto know...a concious choice on my part. Well,
about a month after all of this I decided to take a vacation
with my grand-parents for two weeks. She had been asking me
to come with them for a few weeks prior... and it was on
that trip to Phoenix,AZ that in the room that rented for me
and my daughter next to theirs, I experienced "the dream".
Laying in bed with a book called "THE DREAMPROJECT", about a
group of people that while individually in their
dreamstates, learn to join each other in what they called a
"DREAM-CIRCLE". I went into sleep doing the steps they
listed to try to learn enter a" conscious" dream state. I
guess I must have succeeded! DREAM????:... (once again feel
I must explain that the words that are obviously needed to
try and convey my experience to you are extremely inadequate
and fall short of the "etherealness" I experienced. I can
only ask you to please summon all of you experience to
"hear" with that" other" hearing that I feel simply MUST be
used in order to really understand the GRANDNESS of the
"happening")It is night...I am standing in a
canyon(Arizona?)...water is trickling down the wall of the
canyon ridge I am standing on which is only a couple of feet
wide and many miles high from the canyon's bottom. The type
of silence that I am experiencing is unlike ANYTHING I've
ever experienced in "this" realm we are communicating on at
the present time. It is SO quiet that it's a sound in it's
own rite. AWESOME!!.... I look up and see a movement in the
sky straight away from where I'm standing, but straight
up.... I become aware of a feeling of awesome-ness that is
bringing with it a strong sense of apprehension, almost a
fear but different by any of my prior terms... I see a
"swirling" occuring in the sky in the most beautiful shade
of "rose" that I have N-E-V-E-R seen in my life! I do NOT
want to see what is about to transpire...I am now afraid. I
am being "FORCED" to watch... I say, telepathically to...
???... "IT'S NOT FAIR TO MAKE HUMAN EYES WITNESS SUCH AN
EVENT"....but still I am made to watch this, soft, five
pointed, etherial, fluidic looking, "rose?" shaded, vapor-
like, ever-so-slowly swirling "???",forming.... then, in the
same graceful movement... "dive" toward the earth and then
in a type of slow motion... hit the earth and without
dropping a beat or changing the iambic-pentameter disperses
back up toward the etherin "dropplets", which move in every
direction at once... so graceful... so awesome... so
grand... TOO MUCH... too much power to have witnessed and
then be made to live with the memory of it, knowing that it
can never be truly translated, therefore never being able
to explain it or share it with anyone with any kind of...
release I am devistated. I am forever changed. I cannot "un-
see" it... deny it... not ever.....in a way that CANNOT be
called "NEGATIVE". Yes, by our terms, this is called a
contradiction! Nevertheless, it was just as I say it was,
stil lis, and I can find no other way to share it... much to
my anguish. Then, suddenly, I am at the bottom of the
mountain, but on the other side of the canyon, in a valley
area that can be easily walked through. There is a bar,
yes, a "bar", as in ; "a high table used to serve and
consume beverages" out in the middle of this vastness! Just
all of "it", and a bar! It is still dark, a zillion stars in
the sky are it' s night-lite. My boyfriend, Fernando, and
the lady that is behind the bar are the only other souls
there. I walk up on them and start telling Fernando my
experience. He does not look at me. All of our communication
between the three of us is done "telepathically", without
added gesture. Fernando does not respond to what I am
telling him, and I start to wonder if he even believes me
when, the lady says to me as she's showing me on a small
strip of paper, "YOU HAVE JUST WITNESSED SOMETHING THAT NO
'HUMAN' EYES HAVEWITNESSED BEFORE, SATURN, PASSING THROUGH
THE 7th HOUSE." As she says this, Fernando acknowledges me
for the first time, and does so in way that I understand
that he is proud at what he is hearing her say. I feel my
hearts well inside because I realize, that I have wanted him
to be proud of me .Then, Fernando tells me it's time for us
to continue on our journey. In my spirit I "KNOW" that we
are supposed to rest and not continue until we do so, but I
don't want to say this to him, as I feel this would be
taking away from his "manhood" somehow. The lady tells him
that maybe we should rest, but he is not hearing her, and
once again I restrain myself from even telling him that the
lady had just said something to him, even though I
desperately wished he HAD heard because I knew we were
SUPPOSED to rest and NOT continue on yet. But the desire not
to take away anything from his "manhood" won over my
knowing, and we walked on. We walked up a wall made of
bricks made from the mountain rock, that was about two feet
wide and which when we arrived at the top, was about 3 miles
high. At the top, ther ewas a portal type opening in which
one would walk through in order to continue on one's
journey, but now was blocked off by several round "charcoal"
type objects. I knew that this was "confirmation" to what I
already knew about resting first, but kept silent. Fernando
started to pull the charcoal objects out of the opening, one
by one, until he realized the futility of it and stopped. We
then started going back down the "wall", I was extremely
afraid, unless I kept my eyes on Fernando's back. Every time
I would take my eyes off his back, even for a second, I
would get dizzy and start to fall, but i would look again at
his back and regain my balance. Were ached the bottom, which
was also the end of the dream. When I awoke from this dream
I was aware that I was different somehow, even my perception
of things had changed, not unlike the difference I
experienced several years earlier after I had taken
L.S.D.the first time. My perception was "expanded" somehow
Comments by Dreamer The next two weeks my
grandparents and I visited my uncle, traveled to the North
Rim of the Grand Canyon, etc... During which time I had
decided that when I got home I would give my whole heart to
my relationship with Fernando, give that part that I knew I
had held back, and that if it did not work out I would have
given it my "all". But I was SURE it would work now. Without
going into too many details, which I feel are probably
beside the point for what I'm hoping you can help me to
learn, I will just tell you that I was wrong. When I got
back home I saw Fernando once in our friends front yard, he
kissed me hello, said he was horny & hungry and he was on
his way home. Those were the last words he ever spoke to me.
He didn ot come home that night, Friday, not Saturday, not
Sunday, which was his33rd birthday, not Monday, at which
time while sitting at my friend's house in the same apt.
complex where we also lived, her apartment facing the main
street, looking out her front window, at 9:00 p.m., I saw
Fernando ride by on his friend's motorcycle....just right on
by............I was LIVID !!!!I had learned from my
grandmother, and until that night, had practiced, "NEVER LET
THE SUN GO DOWN UPON YOUR (my) WRATH"... wait until you know
someone's alright (when they don't come home in this case)
before you get angry, or you may live with your
regret....... TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN!!! Another day
came and went with every one of those minutes spent by me
becoming more and more enraged.......ended on Tuesday
morning, with that dreaded knock on the door..... At what
probably was to turn out to be no more than about 15 minutes
after I saw him "RIDE BY" the night before, a man and woman
turned left in front of his bike, he ejected 50 ft. into the
air upon impact, took all of the trauma to the left side of
his head his fingers and left knee.... was in a coma for 5
days, brain dead. I signed the order to disconnect him. And
when they did, twenty minutes later he was gone. To Grandma:
LESSON LEARNED .What I am hoping to learn from/via you is
please tell me you have heard of this type of "out of the
body" experience before. I went into all of the events after
the "experience" because they seem pertinent and because
after all this time, which has been since 1988, I have
searched, feeling like I should have come across at least
one other testimonial from BEFORE the experience, since this
has ALWAYS been my Passion, studying the different planes of
"other-realm-ness", let alone after my own experience !!!I
am not arrogant enough, nor could I ever convince myself to
believe, that I am the only one whose ever had this
experience, yet I keep searching, and in all that research
in what borders on an obsession to find, I have yet to find
another's testimony of this same type of experience. There
have been several times that I will be reading someone's
testimony OH... I almost forgot to tell you... my X-sister-
in-law, F, and spiritual Mentor at the time, did an
astrologica lchart for the day Fernando wrecked....September
7th, 1988... Saturn had just entered the 7th house !!!
SPOOKY!
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 60
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. spirit
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:55:39 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: spirit
Dream Title spirit
Date of Dream offen
Dream This dream I have often, starts out
as just black. Then it looks like a negive of the
surroundings I am in before I fall asleep. I am aware that I
am dreaming. Them out of nowhere will appear something that
looks like everything else in the dream but is no alive even
though it is moving. I am not afraid, I am calm. Soon it
will go on its way. Sometimes the dream will continue with
another something that looks the same but usually another
dream will happen.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 61
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
2. cowpats frisbee and stones dream
From: Anonymous
3. flower shop
From: Anonymous
4. Key and Bunny
From: Anonymous
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:27:18 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: cowpats frisbee and stones dream
Dream Title cowpats frisbee and stones dream
Mermaid
Date of Dream sat 9 December 2000Dreaml woke up
with a happiness and sense of fun from my 'dream cow
Ruby'reappearing during my sleep. She winked at me as she
once again dropped acow pat that transformed into a Frisbee
before it hit the ground.She's a black and white dairy cow
and it was only this time in a dream thatshe had a name a
red ribbon around her neck with a name tag - ruby.The sound
track would be the line from Killing Heidi's "mascara" -
'''Howdo you handle all the bullshit that gets thrown your
way"...There was also a big green orb containing a glowing
gold marble in itscentre, through which I looked at myself
wearing a lapis lazuli colouredpendant.Somehow there was a
'guide' whom I didn't see fully urging me to write somemore
stories; to incorporate Ruby the cow with Esmerelda the
flying pig anda cornucopic (if that's a word) tub of apricot
yogurt.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:27:47 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: flower shop
Dream Title flower shop
Date of Dream 11/01/00
Dream I was shopping with my mother in
the grocery store. We found out that my mom's friend was in
the hospital. My mom told me to go get flowers. I got in my
caar and went to a flower shop. The flowers were very
expensive. I was dressed scrubby, so the man told me he
thought this store might be too expensive for me. I got an
attitude and yelled at him. He pissed me off. I asked him
"What makes you think that I am in the wrong store?" Then I
pointed to three arrangements and told him I wanted them.
Comments by Dreamer what do you think this dream means?
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:44:12 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Key and Bunny
Dream Title Key and Bunny
Date of Dream
Dream i am walking in the woods along a
path.
i find a drink bottle and key.
I keep walking and a find a whit fence and a house on the
other side. I open the gate and walk inside.
the house is a cottage
i go out of the house and find a bunny which walks up to me
looks at me then walks away. i keep walking until i come to
a stream which i paddle in. After that i keep walking until
i come to a cliff with a waterfall. The dream then ends
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 62
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. A Better Space
From: Anonymous
2. the end
From: Anonymous
3. Stigmata, Baptism
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:20:36 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: A Better Space
Dream Title A Better Space
Date of Dream 9/26/00
Dream Jeremy (my boyfriend)and I are
walking through a big parking lot where many vehicles are
parked. We see Jeremy's best friend's (Jake) big, white,
Ford F150 truck. As we walk closer, I notice that in the
space to the left of it there is a huge pile of broken
glass. I look up towards the sky and see the bright lights
lighting up the parking lot (it is night). Next thing I
know, I'm driving the truck pretty fast aroung the parking
lot. As Jeremy and I search for a better space to park the
truck in, we see Jake, his girlfriend, Kristyn, and another
friend, Tyson walking from the store. Tyson is carrying two
grocery bags. They notice his truck driving by and start
walking towards us. They see me driving closer and I
somewhat feel caught. I quickly stop the truck right by
Jake. I get out to give Jake his keys. I feel like I
should explain so I tell them about the broken glass.
Nobody says anything so I continue (make-up the rest of) my
story and ! ! tell him that one of the store employees asked
me if I could move the truck so they could clean up the
broken glass. *THEN I WAKE UP*
Comments by Dreamer 9/25/00 Events:
Slept all day until 3pm
1st intense cycling class
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
Permission Comments Please e-mail any comments and/or
interpretations using
"9/26/00 DREAM" as subject.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:28:06 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: the end
Dream Title
Date of Dream november10, 2:00 am
Dream i dreamed it was near the ene of
time. my boyfriend was driving me around and we were trying
to escape (from what?) there was destruction everywhere, and
pools of poisoned water. we were very thirsty. i tried to
tell him the right way to go, but he insisted he knew the
right way. we ended up going down a curvy, mountainous road
that was full of potholes with acidic water. the road
finally ended because 3\4 of the road had slid down the
hillside. i had a very clear feeling of terror.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:27:35 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Stigmata, Baptism
Dream Title Stigmata, Baptism
Date of Dream March 2000, 3 a.m.
Dream Several months ago I had an
interesting experience. The wind, howling in through the
window woke me up around 3:00 a.m. Upon awakening I looked
up at the beams on the ceiling - on one beam there was the
image of Jesus Crucified, each detail clearly delineated.
On the other beam was the head of Jesus with the crown of
thorns surrounded by a golden aura. I got up, had something
to drink, returned to bed, both images were still there. I
said a prayer, turned of the light and returned to sleep.
Now, in the sleep that followed this experience I had the
following dream: - A fierce, heated/psychic energy was
coursing through both of the palms of my hands. In an
effort to ease the "heat" I was rubbing my hands together
(in real life, I am continuously aware of enormous energy in
my palms) when a visitor appeared to me. He was dressed
like a hari-krishna except his clothes were starched, white,
impeccable. His head was bald and a gold aura surrounded
his head. Seeing me rubbing my hands together he gently
reached out and taking my right hand, he removed his
spectacles, he carefully studied my palms for quite a while,
and then cautiously looked up at me saying "Oh, this looks
like the beginning of the Stigmata!" ...
.I quickly retrieved my hand, in fear. Again, with a smile
on his face, he again reached out and asked if he could read
my palms, saying "Don't be afraid, my child"....I extended
both palms to him. Again, after careful, cautious study, he
rubbed his eyes, as if to clear a tear, and looked up at me,
asking "Did you know your husband baptised Jesus?".......
As you can imagine, this dream has me baffled.
I had had another significant dream about 6 months before
the above - when I woke up I remember I had dreamt that
either I or my 24 years old daughter had received the
Stigmata. I couldn't remember exactly, but it left me
baffled enough to make a note of it in my journal - that
same morning, when my daughter came to the breakfast table,
she said to me "O Mom, I have this overwhelming feeling that
I am going to receive the Stigmata when I'm 33"....
Any suggestions as to what may be going on here.
I am Irish catholic, while I am very spiritual I am not very
religious. My husband is an Egyptian Muslim.
Thank you in anticipation of a response.
Sincerely,
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 63
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Attacking Me
From: Anonymous
2. jeananne9
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:24:09 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Attacking Me
Dream Title Attacking Me Pam
Date of Dream 12/12/0010:45
Dream I am 17 and am from a small town in
NC. Lately for at least two months I keep having this dream
of some one raping me. Some times in the dream I fight back
and some times I don't. For a while I kept on having the
same dream. I was in a hotel room sitting in a chair and a
guy came over and jerked me out of it, I could never see his
face. I struggled for a minute until he shook me. Then he
would through me down on the bed and rape me. I had that
dream for about two weeks. Then it suddenly stopped and then
another one began. I was at a gas station and I went in to
the bath room and some one came in. I remember being scared
of the guy and not knowing what to do. Again I couldn't see
his face. He didn't wast any time he raped me right there
and I remember telling im no but he didn't listen. The last
night it changed again I was running from this guy and he
caught me and I started to cry hard. He raped me right there
not caring that I was crying or that I! ! was saying no, and
again I could not see his face. Please help me these dreams
are really getting to me.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:18:55 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: jeananne9
Dream Title jeananne9
Date of Dream 10/12/200
Dream I dreamt that I was at my friend's
(Mary) house, we where in her kitchen, the kitchen had
wooden cupboards, benches and floor's, it was night time and
there were no lights on, we were waiting for my husband to
arrive.
Mary and I deciced to wait for him at a bridge, there where
hundreds of people at the bridge waiting for a ferry, there
were no lights at all and it was dark but not at all scary.
Mary went back to her house to see if my husband had arrived
there, I waited at the bridge for what seemed like hours, I
went back to the house to see what was keeping Mary.
I didn't knock on the door I just walked in, there on the
couch was Mary pulling a white sheet over her naked body and
my husband trying to pull his shorts on real quick.
I then woke up, I was very angry and have not told Mary or
my husband about this dream
Comments by Dreamer I have been with my husband for
thirteen years.
I have been friends with Mary for two years.
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 64
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Love / Qulita
From: Anonymous
2. weird mom thinking
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:35:16 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Love / Qulita
Dream Title Love / Qulita
Date of Dream 12/13/00
Dream I had a dream that I was at a park,
and I saw a male friend(our relationship is alittle more
than friends)and his ex-girlfriend. they were running
around, laughing,and having fun.I think they were having a
picnic. I was watching them from a distance, hidden behind a
tree.As I watch them I felt hurt and betrayed, yet I knew
that he didn't want a relationship with me, so I sort of
expected this.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:32:25 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: weird mom thinking
Dream Title weird mom thinking
Date of Dream 12-9-00/5 a.m.
Dream i had this dream about my 15
daughter lying to me about her not having a boyfriend, but
then this young boy came up to me saying that i needed to
watch out for her n said that she did have a boyfriend. i
confronted my daughter and her boyfriend one day at school n
she confessed to me that she did have one the whole time.
her boyfriend was like 6'1 and very muscular by the way.
Comments by Dreamer i want to know what this means...is
it meaning that she does have a boyfriend or does it just
meaning something else?
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 65
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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. blue light
From: Anonymous
2. Convertible/f.castle
From: Anonymous
3. Pregnant
From: Anonymous
4. taconat
From: Anonymous
5. boyy cheating
From: Anonymous
6. night smoke
From: Anonymous
7. choking my ex-girlfriend until she's blue in the
face
From: Anonymous
8. Bread
From: Anonymous
9. the walk
From: Anonymous
10. Fighting the demon
From: Anonymous
11. Wedding Mess
From: Anonymous
12. Spider Bones
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:39:26 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: blue light
Dream Title blue light
Date of Dream 12-12-2000
Dream dreaming of a big bright floressent
blue light
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:42:53 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Convertible/f.castle
Convertible/f.castle Date of Dream Dream
Repairing 1950's convertible successfully using addhesive
strip
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:40:32 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Pregnant
Dream Title Pregnant
Date of Dream December 13, 2000
Dream I have been having many dreams that
I have been pregnant. What does it mean
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:39:46 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: taconat
Dream Title taconat
Date of Dream Dec 13, 2000
Dream i dreamt that one of my teeth feel
out...i was freaking out but it turned out to be just a
"baby" tooth...so i was happy about it. what does this mean?
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:40:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: boyy cheating
Dream Title boyy cheating
Date of Dream 12/8/00 night time
Dream my boyfriend is cheating on me with
a different white girls.
Comments by Dreamer my boy friend is cheating on me
with a white girl and he tells me he wants to leave me for
her
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:36:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: night smoke
Dream Title night smoke
Date of Dream 12,13,00
Dream I live near the woods and sometimes
I dream that the animals around the area grow 20 times
larger and now I have developed a fear of animals. I also
dream that I am smoking and when I get up I want a
cigarrette. I DONT EVEN SMOKE AND NEVER HAVE! Comments by
Dreamer
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:40:58 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: choking my ex-girlfriend until she's blue in the
face
Dream Title choking my ex-girlfriend until
she's blue in the face
Date of Dream 12/14/00 at 1:30 am
Dream I had this odd dream (see
title)last night. I was in a life and death battle with my
ex-live-in girlfriend of 5 years. At first, she was choking
me. After a 'chase' I got the better of her and was choking
her and I think I was about to kill her. I then woke up.
Now, we had a wild relationship. She is a very violent
person. It may be politically incorrect to talk about, but,
I was a battered husband. I am physically a lot bigger than
her but she makes up for the size difference by being
psychopathically strong. She still lurks around even after I
got a no-contact order...I mean we're talking about 2 years
later. The movie "Fatal Attraction" comes to mind when I
think about Mischa. The chase went through all rooms of the
house.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:41:21 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Bread
Dream Title Bread
Date of Dream
Dream I had an old fashioned bicycle
witht he big wheel, and i parked it right outside a meat
store. I went in and asked for a really fresh piece of
bread, and the man who worked there said , "How fresh?" and
I said really fr4esh. He then told me "Once you touch the
bread there are no refunds or exchanges" and he handed me a
pieve of uncooked bread (a little too fresh) and i couldnt
refund it because one id touched it i coulndt
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:39:08 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: the walk
Dream Title the walk
Date of Dream in school, during class
Dream My dream started off with me
walking along Rodeo drive in California. I was walking i was
alone on the street, the street had a blacktop covering. As
i was walkin the street I saw a house key, i kept the key
and held it in my right hand. I kept walking along the
street and saw a crystal champaign class. I picked it up
and held it in my left hand. As i kept walking the
atmosphere changed, now i was walking in the middle of
nowhere. In a hilly countryside terain, with a big lake
down below. I walked down to the lake and played with the
water for a while. I went back up to the road and walked on
it. Then i rain up to a big brown bear. I was frightened
by the bear, i just stood there not moving. The bear
approached me and sniffed me for awhile, and just walked
away. As I kept walking i walked into a big brink wall.
The wall was as high as i can see, and went along the
horizon, it was unpenatratable. THat was it
Comments by Dreamer I don't know what it means, i would
like to know, if u have any comments or interpretations, i
would like to hear them. thanks
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:42:03 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Fighting the demon
Dream Title Fighting the demon
Date of Dream 21/04/2000
Dream The dream begins with me standing
on the top of stairs and facing a priest. I tell something
to him. The priest says (with obvious rage): "He can't make
his mind". Next thing I remember is that I'm going with him
and his daughter (unusual, since he's Catholic priest),
somewhere - I'm not sure where. Then I meet my old friend,
he has children and I find that he became a very unpleasant
guy, tired of life. The priest's daughter fights with the
ghost of her mother. She fight efficiently, until my old
friend slaps her face. Then she went outside to kill. I look
out the window and see a man, nailed to tree(obviously
killed by her). The crowd of people gathers to watch it with
grue. Then I'm helping priest solve this problem. I have two
weapons:
- a pendant used to dispell demons, but it has broken chain.
a device to detect demons
I go out to fight the possessed daughter of priest. I find
the crossed fingers and latin formula best weapons to fight
demons. They make the daugher scream.
Finally the whole story turns out to be a great joke.
Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:42:28 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Wedding Mess
Dream Title Wedding Mess - Deb
Date of Dream December 15, 2000 between 12a and
10a
Dream I was at a wedding, not my own, and
I think it was my sister getting married. We were all
wearing white lace, her dress was, as well as all the
bride's maids dresses. But, she was marrying the wrong
person. He was a jerk, and I couldn't believe she was going
to marry him. He was mean to me and her, pushing us to do
things we didn't want to do. My car was five blocks away and
I had to walk back to it to get something. When I got back
they were
almost starting, I was outside and the groom
walked up to me and said something to me which made me cry,
and I told myself "I can't be part of this wedding." I ran
back to my car and tried to start it, but it wouldn't start.
Instead it started drifting around the parking lot and I was
having trouble controling it. I almost crashed into at least
four other cars. So, finally, I stopped it in another
parking space, and I sat there and cried for a while. Then,
I walked back to the wedding. At this point hundreds of pe!
! ople were walking that way to go to churches and lunches.
There was a festival going on, and the majority of people
there were Africian American. I think we were in New
Orleans. I arrived at the church and the ceremony was over,
the bride and groom were leaving and everyone was
congratulating them. I was still sobbing, and as I stood by
the door they drove away. People looked at me but no one
approached me or said anything to me. Finally, I sought out
an old friend. A ex-boyfriend actually, who had no real
reason to be there since he didn't know my sister or her
husband, but he was there anyway. He tried to help me fix my
car, but by removing pieces of it and taking them back to
his house and burning them. Eventually he caused a big
explosion, and said that we needed to do that to my car to
get it to work again. It seemed odd to me, but I didn't know
anything about cars so I told him okay. He said he needed to
gather some stuff together and he would meet me outside. I
looked a! ! round the room for a while, and the phone rang
so I picked it up and it was him (this was only five minutes
later, if that). He said he was far away and I needed to run
away, but I reminded him my car still didn't work. He hung
up. I returned to the church and tried to plead with one of
the black parishoners to help me to my car and help me get
assistance for it. She said "Can't you walk to your car?" I
said, "Yes, miss, but I'm very tired and my car is five
blocks away and I've already been there three times and back
today." She told me that that was just my tough luck. So, I
ran back to my car, and I woke up.
Comments by Dreamer In real life, my sister is married
to her second husband and one of my friend's is getting
married soon. I've never been to New Orleans. My sister is
Jewish, so why a church I don't know. One of my ex's is a
pyromaniac, but not the one that was in the dream.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: Spider Bones
Dream Title Spider Bones- JA
Date of Dream July 2/3:00am
Dream Spider Bones
The river below me was rushing by as I began to cross an old
wooden walk-bridge I found myself midway, when the fear of
falling into the river shifted my balance as I began to
wonder what I was doing here
The roar of the river sounded like a voice cascading though
my dream I could feel an underlying, undulating message
circulating throughout my veins, as the river dared me to
pass over it- the message became clear crossing over was a
communiqu "your past lives," whispered from the other end
of the bridge
I felt an intense sense of hesitancy. I was at first
reluctant to cross this decaying bridge but when I noticed
this lighthouse in the distance, spinning its welcoming
beam. I said to myself "when in a dream follow the beam."
Suddenly, I was beside the lighthouse, staring up to the
top. It seemed as tall as a skyscraper. I looked around
its circumference, for I had prearranged a dream-connection
with someone I met on the web we had agreed to say, 'the
fog's not bad tonight." We would try to recall facial or
body features
As I stepped over the end, I was suddenly transformed on a
beach, when suddenly out from the ocean, a swarm of spiders,
some with human faces, surfaced frantically scampering about
the shear multitude of them began to overwhelm me (for I
rarely become frightened in a dream but this was becoming an
exception.) As I looked about me, I saw was a sea of
tombstones beside the lighthouse. I ran to them. There were
bones scattered all over the dreamscape. I looked over my
shoulder and saw the spiders rapidly approaching. I'm not
frightened of spiders but as I said, they were a pulsating
swarm and growing larger and some began speaking to me. I
remember one saying, "we are the chatter of past lives."
One tombstone had inscribed on it "CAN'T REST IN PEACE."
Another said, "IN MEMORY OF LIVES' CHATTER." I then thought
I saw another shadow. As I turned I saw no one. At first I
thought I was dream-connecting but all I could see was a
faint form, speechless and transitory... To make things
worse these spiders were growing and almost the size of
horses I glanced to the lighthouse and wished I was inside.
The next thing I knew, I was looking up a spiral staircase
leading up to the top of the lighthouse.
The spiders were making these strange crunching sounds as
they moved about. They were crackling over unearthed bones
in the bone yard. I began to make my way up to the top of
the lighthouse, where I felt I could take refuge and look
through the fog to see what's happening.
As I got to the top of the lighthouse, I could feel the cool
ocean breeze caressing me. As I looked out from the top, I
saw a massive, partially fleshed skeleton, devouring the
spiders its skull was winking at me and was wearing a
strange grin
I immediately awoke from this dream emotional upheaval!
This cryptic skeleton, was it a savior from the clutch of
archetypal creatures trying to devour me, or a destroyer of
preconceived selves, or simply the consumer of my past
lives, or all of the above? This spider-consuming skull,
was it hindering or helping me? What were its beaming
intentions? Were my past selves metamorphosed into half-
human insects for the purpose of shifting into a new skin or
form? Is there a web of introspection swallowing my being?
Lots of questions cast over me with little time to waste
Comments by Dreamer when in a dream, follow the beam
and allow it to control you...only then will you find how
easy it is to configure your dream to be controlled and then
it will become revelatory...
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 66
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. future city
From: Anonymous
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:32:31 -0800
From: Anonymous
Subject: future city
Dream Title future city
Date of Dream sunday, 11 am
Dream I'm dreaming that I was lost in a
new and futuristic city that I live in looking for a familar
street. I kept walking and found a faded out street sign
that was read but I could see that it was a familer street
name that i knew. then i saw a bread truck with 2 men
talking to each other and in the back of the truck it was
the same thing
Comments by Dreamer what is this dream telling me?
Permission to Comment yes_share_comments
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[dream-flow] Digest Number 67
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There is 1 message in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. A Great Story to Tell
From: Daniel & Janice Bennett <janibenn
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:14:53 -0500
From: Daniel & Janice Bennett <janibenn
Subject: A Great Story to Tell
Dear Dream Flow People:
This is my first contact with you and I wonder what the
procedure is. Here is a recent dream that I'm working on.
Thanks for any input.
Daniel
Dream December 18, 2000
I am in some business negotiations with a high-powered
business executive. It has to do with purchasing airline
tickets, perhaps for resale. I have an assistant with me and
there is a guy from Bethany, working at a relatively low
level job for the company I am negotiating with. At one
point, my assistant slips me a pen. He is lying prone and
passes it under his body to me.
The executive offers to take us for a flight in his jet. We
go out to the runway. There we see a jet (not the one we
will fly in) in an expensive, genuine leather casing. I
think about the cost of just the case.
People get in the jet but I am seated on the nose of the jet
behind the pilot (the executive). I am very nervous of this,
thinking about flying on the outside of a jet. I ask, "Will
the wind blow my glasses off?" The pilot is reassuring. I
feel the jet that I am sitting on and think that if worst
comes to worst, I can punch my fingers through the thin
fabric of the skin of the jet and grip the frame.
The pilot, who has a reputation of not paying attention to
all the rules, taxis off the runway without proper clearance
and then the ground drops away below us and he coasts,
glides through the air. It is frightening but not as bad as
being under jet thrust. We are flying over a beautiful
harbour. I begin to slip and try to get my feet on the grips
for my feet but I can't seem to. I don't fall off.
I think, "This will be a great story."
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