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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 067
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 67
Friday, October 27th 1989
Today's Topics:
Re: ParaNet Group Project
Re: Black Abductees
Re: Correlations
FAA listings
Re: Paranet Group Project
Re: Correlations
Re: Paranet Group Project
Re: ParaNet Group Project
Soviet Update from Germany
Oklahoma Sightings
RE: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Re: New Member
New Project
Re: Oklahoma Sightings
Re: New Member
Saskatchewan sighting...Canadian Press story
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: ParaNet Group Project
Date: 25 Oct 89 06:16:00 GMT
-> > I heard that there was a secret underground base 1KM below
-> >the surface of Gilligans Island. The palm trees are made
-> >of fiberglass and are actually microwave antennas.
Not only that, but I heard that Thurston Howell III was MJ-5.
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From: paranet!f1.n1.z23.FIDONET.ORG!Mac.Druaidh
Subject: Re: Black Abductees
Date: 22 Oct 89 23:35:00 GMT
"> Or are the UFO entities racist, and thus not interested?
What of the theory that UFO sightings and experiences have replaced older
visions of deities and the like, as a kind of technological upgrade of the
mind?
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Correlations
Date: 25 Oct 89 22:10:00 GMT
Doug,
> I personally discount such theories, as the mechanism has
> yet to be demonstrated. However, I believe we have an
> excellent opportunity to test this. Surely, if there WERE
> such a relationship, and earthquake of the magnitude just
> experienced in California would produce at least SOME
> effects. Have any been recorded? Were ther any reports
> that have come to your attention from the Earthquake area
> in the weeks before the quake?
I have not researched this theory at all, however it might be interesting to
look into. If anyone out there has any ideas, data, etc., jump in and let
us know.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: FAA listings
Date: 26 Oct 89 03:29:00 GMT
Would anyone have access to a complete listing of all FAA control
towers throughout the country?
Mike
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From: paranet!Vicki.Cooper
Subject: Re: Paranet Group Project
Date: 26 Oct 89 06:20:00 GMT
OK Jim, here I go:
Mac Brazel, as the man was known,
though an honest rancher he,
was told to split by the Keepers of
Our National security.
Next verse:
Soon hot on the scene were Air Force dudes,
Who worked without delay,
To Grab the stuff and board a plane
To Fly it far away.
Next Verse:
Meanwhile, as they say, back on the ranch
Ol' Mac would sit and moon.....
'Bout how the news had called the crash,
No more than a stray balloon!
******************************************
Well GANG, 3 stanzas was all I could manage.
Who's Next??
Vicki
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Correlations
Date: 25 Oct 89 17:52:00 GMT
> The Nation Bureau of Standards did an experiment on plasma
> produced by high stress on rock formations. When a rock
> was crushed or pulled apart by high pressures, it produced
> a significant plasma display. This result was postulated
I saw a TV show on that one time, very interesting. They crushed rocks and
concrete in the dark and used a special camera that recorded the plasma
energy generated.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Paranet Group Project
Date: 26 Oct 89 06:52:00 GMT
Not bad, Vicki, not bad. You think the New Christy Minstrels would be
interested in recording it?
--Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: ParaNet Group Project
Date: 26 Oct 89 06:54:00 GMT
-> >hahaha...<with tears in my eyes>...
-> >
-> >Who has written it thus far ?
I'd like to take full credit for myself, but there's this implant in my
nose pinging out these words into my sinuses.....
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Uucp
Subject: Soviet Update from Germany
Date: 26 Oct 89 07:50:00 GMT
Here is an update from our German neighbors on the Soviet UFO
report.
Mike
To: paranet!mcorbin
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 89 23:32:59 MET DST
> Following is an AP report detailing a landing of a UFO in the
> Soviet Union. ParaNet is attempting to verify this information.
>
> Anyone with further information is encouraged to upload to
> ParaNet.
Here is what has been broadcasted to some of the European Newsgroups:
In article <8456@boring.cwi.nl> acij@piring.cwi.nl (A.C. IJsselstein) writes:
<Last night, CEEFAX, BBC's teletext, had the following
<item in the section <Overseas news in brief>:
< ---------------------------------------
< SOVIET UNION. The TASS news agency
< says that scientists have confirmed the
< landing of an alien spaceship in the
< city of Voronezh. The UFO is reported
< to have been manned by giant people
< with little heads.
< ---------------------------------------
<This morning the subject had disappeared altogether.
<Hmm... Why Voronezh?
<--
< A.C. IJsselstein | o \- . . ./ ` ` o .
< CWI, Amsterdam | __| oo' -|- |-- |-| -|| O-O --| -|_
< (acij@cwi.nl) | ` ` | ' \ . /\ |. | -|. / -
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In article <2719@harrier.ukc.ac.uk> jmh@ukc.ac.uk (J.M.Hague) writes:
<This little TASS titbit was also picked up by the Guardian's Moscow
<correspondent yesterday. In an article on the back page headed
<"Russians sight 'alien beings'" he summarises the TASS story, which
<has the usual stuff about a shining disc, and humanoids 3-4 metres tall
<toddling out and walking around accompanied by a little robot. If
<anybody asked to be taken to anybody else's leader, the event was
<sadly unrecorded.
<
<The TASS story then quotes Mr Genrikh Silanov, head of the Voronezh
<geophysical laboratory, as saying he and his team have located the
<exact spot the aliens landed, a circle 20m in diameter, plus 4 dents
<of about 4-5cm. Oh, and the obligatory 2 pieces of deep red
<sandstone-like rock that mineralogical analysis has shown cannot be of
<Earth origin. These findings apparently match witnesses' accounts.
<
<The reporter then notes that this comes after a flood of stories about
<UFOs in the Soviet press.
<
<In this morning's edition, the back page is again graced by the
<Voronezh aliens (is the Grauniad after the Sunday Sport market?).
<This time from AP, it notes that a Soviet daily newspaper, Sovietskaya
<Kultura, found that these aliens did not, after all, forget part of
<the traditional UFO repertoire, and made a 16 year old boy disappear by
<pointing an 50cm tube at him. Gratifyingly, in this new age of
<international and hopefully interplanetary harmony, the boy reappeared
<when the ship took off.
<
<HOWEVER, the AP story quotes the erstwhile head of the Voronezh
<Geophysical Laboratory (whose institution is now graced with capital
<letters throughout) as throwing cold water on the TASS report. The
<mysterious rocks are, it seems, iron ore. "Don't believe all you hear
<from TASS. We never gave them part of what they published.", said Mr
<Genrikh Silanov.
<
<It looks like the high-level suppression of the truth is underway yet
<again:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
<--
<Incredible but true: Jim Hague
<Kangaroos have less road sense than rabbits jmh@ukc.ac.uk
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In article <703@castle.ed.ac.uk> morna@lfcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J.
Findlay) writes: <The "Glasgow Herald" said TASS reported that a
scientist had found <the aliens footprints by "biolocation", and
had found two pieces of <rock that were "not of this Earth". <
<The "Herald" asked TASS is the repot was a joke, and this was
<emphatically denied. Russians are very fond of aliens,
apparently! < <M < <Morna J. Findlay JANET:
morna@lfcs.ed.ac.uk <LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science UUCP:
..!mcvax!ukc!lfcs!morna <Edinburgh University ARPA:
morna%lfcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet- relay.ac.uk<Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, UK.
Tel: 031-667-1081 Ext 2807
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In article <705@castle.ed.ac.uk>, nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
<Last I heard, the not-of-this-Earth rocks were iron ore.
<
<One paper reckoned that the "giant people with little heads" were just
<the All-Blacks stopping off for a quick visit.
<
<
< Nick.
<--
<Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh.
< nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk <Atlantic Ocean>!mcvax!ukc!lfcs!nick
<~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~
< Fais que ton reve soit plus long que la nuit.
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In article <1989Oct16.162949.3438@gec-mi-at.co.uk>,
steve@gec-mi-at.co.uk (Steve Lademann) writes: <I was actually
in Voronezh on the week starting October 2nd, and although <I
didn't see anything, I can certainly vouch for the fact that it
stirred <up a lot of local interest. This could be due to:- <
<a) There's s** all else to talk about in Voronezh! < <b) The
temperature in Voronezh having a detrimental affect on the
brain, < due to the regular, annual, autumn breakdown of the
Power Station < (reputed to be nuclear) which heats the vast
majority of the city, thus < reducing the internal domestic
temperature to approximately the same as < that outside. <
<What *cannot* be blamed is alcoholically induced apparitions.
You just can't <get a drink anywhere, unless you've got hard
currency. The most intoxicating <thing there is the smell of LPG
leaking from the taxis. < <-- <Steve Lademann |Phone: 44
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Oklahoma Sightings
Date: 26 Oct 89 09:40:00 GMT
First, I would like to commend Bryon Smith, our Fort Smith, Arkansas
affiliate for a job well done. Bryon has gone beyond the call of duty, so
to speak, in his excellent coverage of the Oklahoma UFO sightings that have
been going on for a good number of days now. Bryon has worked tirelessly on
this project, even with the flu, and has performed a valuable service to the
network in his coverage of this event. Many thanks, Bryon, and keep up the
good work.
As we have not been blessed with national coverage of this event, except for
a small segment on a national news show recently, the Oklahoma sightings
continue to occur with a growing number of reliable witnesses observing this
object(s). Several law enforcement officers, reporters for local newspapers
and town officials, not to mention the numerous citizens, have seen
something very unusual in the skies over the towns of Vinita, Welch,
Commerce, and Miami, Oklahoma. There have been reports of a landing and
possible photographs that show the object up close. ParaNet, thanks to
Bryon, seems to be the first UFO organization on the scene taking statements
and reports and developing an ongoing case investigation of this activity.
Bryon will be making a trip to the area later this week, with video
equipment, and will be accompanied by Bill Pitts of the New Project Blue
Book. They will be interviewing witnesses and hopefully, will be able to
get some footage of this object. Bryon will be preparing a full report in a
short time of what has been occurring on this case.
Below is an article that appeared in the Kansas City Star last Sunday. It
is reprinted here with permission of the reporter, Matthew Schofield.
Welch, OK -- Whatever they were, the two 9-foot, green, glowing,
thin beings that may or may not have had heads certainly weren't Oklahomans.
And the England family--out driving when they say the things popped
from a round object that decidedly was not a car--got mighty worried about
that.
"We were driving down this gravel road out south and this round
thing with two red lights was blocking our way," said Shirley England, the
mother, "Then these green, glowing things popped out. Me, Debbie, John,
Sarah, the baby and a neighbor girl, we all saw it. I don't know what it
was, but we're all pretty jumpy around here now."
The Englands are not alone. Between Oct. 8 and Oct. 16, more than
100 people in northeastern Oklahoma and southeastern Kansas made official
reports of seeing white, red, yellow, and green or blue lights zipping
through the dark sky or hovering over trees and houses.
Only the Englands, who Craig County Sheriff Jess Walker and were not
the type to tell tall tales, claim to have seen creatures.
But thousands of others--from police chiefs and sheriffs to county
commissioners, morticians, television cameramen and newspaper reporters,
schoolchildren and retired citizens--claim to have seen the lights.
"Folks were lining their cars along country roads and sitting out to
watch the lights dance in the sky," said Police Chief Bob Baine of Commerce,
Oklahoma. "I'd say that around here, more people saw them than didn't."
The lights often flew high but frequently dipped to tree level or
just below. For a week, they appeared every night between 8 p.m. and
midnight. The lights appeared to rotate as they moved.
Those who say they observed this draw pictures of a ball-shaped or a
partly deflated football-shaped ship. And though many people said they
thought they were within a mile of whatever they were, no one heard any
engine noise.
Sightings have come from Cherokee County, Kansas, to Ottawa and
Craig counties in Oklahoma. The lights sometimes were stationary or moving
slowly but often traveled about the speed of a small plane.
Occasionally, however, the lights "in the snap of your finger, or
the blink of an eye, are across the horizon, and I guarantee you we don't
have anything in our Army that could catch those buggers," according to Jack
Young, an Ottawa County commissioner.
The overwhelming feeling in the region is bemusement. Was this some
cosmic trick? Were secret weapons being tested? And, if not, just what the
heck were folks seeing?
"I've read stories before about people who've seen this stuff, and
I've always thought they were idiots," said Larry Murdock of Columbus,
Kansas. "But I looked at the lights through the binoculars, and I never was
so shocked in all my life.
"There it was, the traditional flying saucer, spherical and turning.
Honest to God, I believe it's something from another planet. I just hope no
Barney Fife type decides to go shooting up whatever it is."
Jim Green, a police officer and Miami civil defense director, said
craft from outer space might be going a bit far.
"If we had 12 witnesses to a robbery give stories this similar, we'd
have a pretty good case," he said. "Something is out there, probably some
experimental aircraft.
"But here's what gets me. It rose as if going straight up, hovered
over a house then took off with no noise."
Many say the lights might have been caused by a fast helicopter, a
glider, a remote-controlled kite, or a military-controlled mini-balloon.
But then they say the lights moved unlike any of those things.
And police said that during the sightings, radar controllers in
Tulsa, Okla., said no planes were flying in the area.
Mark Paonessa, professor of physics at the University of Kansas,
said the sightings could be accounted for by any number of natural
phenomena. He said airplanes, rockets, bright planets, atmospheric
conditions, a recent solar flare, methane gas or even secret military
projects could account for the lights.
Cherokee County Undersheriff Earney Donaldson doesn't think much of
those explanations.
"What I saw had nothing to do with planets--they moved too fast--or
planes--they maneuvered too well and made no noise. But I don't like to
talk about it. I don't usually see aliens."
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From: postmaster
Subject: RE: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 26 Oct 89 13:15:40 GMT
>From: STUART_WATSON <DALNEWS@ac.dal.ca-+
SUBJECT: Langendon, Saskatchewn, sighting (could be Langedon, not sure
of spelling)
CBC Newsworld (Canada's version of CNN) carried a report last night of
a number of sightings over the past week or so in Langendon, Saskatchewan.
One lady who was interviewed described seeing an object hover over
her barn for about five minutes, as well as moving over the countryside.
A man interviewed for the report said he had seven sightings over
the past week and a half or so. I think he said six of the sightings
were at home, and one was while he was driving his car.
The lady drew a picture of the object she saw. It resembled
a room service plate and cover (circular with a flat top, but
a rounded bottom), and she described the bottom
as being corrugated. There were bright lights as well. The
man also described bright lights.
That's about all I can remember of the report (It was very late.)
Stuart Watson
Halifax, Nova Scotia
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From: paranet!f207.n914.z8.FIDONET.ORG!Rick.Moen
Subject: Re: New Member
Date: 25 Oct 89 04:43:53 GMT
> A thousand welcomes, Rick, and the other members of The Skeptic's
> Board. As far as I know, this marks the first time we have been joined
> by a BBS that has direct ties to a skeptic's organization, in this
> case, the Bay Area Skeptics. This was one of the goals I wanted to
> accomplish way back when I first started assembling the net. I hope
> both sides profit from the dialogues that will ensue.
>
> Jim
> --- QuickBBS v2.04
> * Origin: -=<ParaNet Zeta Reticuli [sm]>=- Scottsdale, AZ (1:114/37)
Thanks for the warm welcome, Jim. I just now resurrected the board from
the earthquake damage, configured and tested the ParaNet echos, and
installed a "door" manager so that I can read and send netmail (and
P-SYSOP) messages remotely. I'm exhausted! So, this may be all you
hear from me personally for some days. However, I will be encouraging
my callers to get into the spirit of things.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: New Project
Date: 26 Oct 89 22:26:00 GMT
No, its not another bastardized TV theme song. (Although I *have* been
thinking of the possibilities for "Hangar 18, Where Are Yooooooooouuu?")
This time I'm looking for a project. I'm asking anyone on the net with
military/intelligence background if they have any information on a
government project code-named "FANG."
Basically, I'd like to know answers to the following: 1) Did it ever exist?
(2) Does it still exist? (3) What branch of the military or intelligence
service is it under? (4) Is it allied with any other projects? (5) What is
its purpose?
If you can provide answers to these questions, without compromising National
Security or breaching your oath, we're all ears.
Jim Speiser
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Oklahoma Sightings
Date: 26 Oct 89 22:29:00 GMT
Good work, Bryon.
I think from SOME of the descriptions, it might be a bit early to rule out
the possibility that some people are seeing stars and planets, and are
getting a little more excited than usual due to the Voronezh story. But I'm
very intrigued.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: New Member
Date: 27 Oct 89 07:10:00 GMT
>Thanks for the warm welcome, Jim. I just now resurrected
>the board from
>the earthquake damage, configured and tested the ParaNet
Oh, that's RIGHT....say, did any of your local psychics predict this
earthquake with any accuracy?
And how damaged were you?
Jim
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From: postmaster
Subject: Saskatchewan sighting...Canadian Press story
Date: 27 Oct 89 13:15:56 GMT
>From: STUART_WATSON <DALNEWS@ac.dal.ca-+
Apologies: The sightings I reported yesterday were in
LangenBURG, Saskatchewan, not Langenford. As a followup, I
post a report prepared by the Canadian Press and carried in the
Halifax "Mail-Star," Oct. 26, 1989, Section F, Page 8
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"Mysterious sightings hatch UFO rumours in Saskatchewan town"
by the Canadian Press
Residents of Langenburg, Sask, are craning their necks to gaze
skyward more often these days after reports of a strange flying
object hovering silently in the air around the town.
"Everybody is talking about it," said RCMP Sgt. Herman Fogen,
who is investigating the sightings. "Everybody is looking for
some positive proof this really is a UFO."
A group of high school students and two teachers first
reported seeing a brightly lit object near the town of 1,400 on
the night of Oct. 11.
Two days later -- on Friday the 13th -- a similar object
reportedly paid a morning visit to a farm 10 kilometres south of
the community, in southeastern Saskatchewan near the Manitoba
boundary.
"I am convinced there is something strange happening in the
area," said teacher Bob Markham, who said he watched the
strange object for 10 to 15 minutes after students alerted him
and another teacher.
Forgen said he has no reason to think the reports are a hoax or
disbelieve the witnesses. He said he is compiling statements
and will forward the results of the investigation of the National
Research Council.
"According to the paper we read the Russian people are
talking to aliens so there's no reason we shouldn't be able to see
them at least," said Fogen.
"We're going to interview all the kids, get statements from
them and put them all together and see if we get something
consistent."
Rose Neumeier, 39, said she was sitting at her kitchen table
talking on the telephone shortly after 10 a.m. Oct. 13 when she
saw a huge, silvery object silently float over her farmyard for
between two and five minutes.
"There was a sort of a flash of light and at first I kind of
chalked it off to a passing car on the road," she said. "But the
light was sort of stationary. It was there and I looked up and
saw it. I was scared at first and curious. You're transfixed and
you're just sort of looking."
The object, about nine metres long and three metres thick,
hovered about 30 minutes in the air no more than 15 metres
from the house, said Neumeier. She said it looked like two pie
plates face-to-face and had a flat top and a bottom like
corrugated steel. Brilliant light was reflecting from the joint
between the top and the bottom.
"It made no noise at all," said Neumeier. "the cattle weren't
disturbed, the dog wasn't disturbed. If I hadn't caught the flash
of light I probably wouldn't even have noticed it.
"It just kind of rose in slow motion. It went north of the yard,
kind of curved through the hayfield above the field, then circled
out over the barn and the corrals and went back across the
pasture and off through the trees."
Neumeier said she didn't report the sighting to police --
Fogen asked her about it after hearing a second-hand report --
because she didn't think anyone would believe her.
"All I know is I saw something I can't explain," she said.
Markham said the object he saw from one or two kilometres
away had red lights on the bottom and a light on top that flashed
on and off every 15 or 20 seconds. He said the object was about
200 metres in the air floating in a field just beyond some grain
elevators.
"All we saw was a bright flashing light on top and red light on
bottom," said Markham. The students reported seeing the object
swoop down on a town park at about 7 p.m. while they were
skateboarding.
The reported sightings are not the first in the area. In 1974 a
farmer claimed he saw five aluminum-like flying machines
hovering in a field. Five circular depressions in the grass lent
credence to the story.
Fogen said he is willing to believe UFOs have visited
southeastern Saskatchewan, though he has never seen one in 23
years as a police officer.
"I've never had the opportunity to see anything that resembled
a UFO or anything like that," he said. "I wish I would and then I'd
know what everybody else is talking about."
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Stuart Watson
Halifax, Nova Scotia
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or SWATSON@ADM.DAL.CA
(902) 424-1323/835-4513
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