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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 187
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 187
Wednesday, March 28th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Re: Strange flash of light
Re: Message From Don Ecker
Re: Gulf Breeze Photos
(none)
Director of Security
Re: Science Fiction Come True
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Re: For Your Info
Klass acts
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: The 'Alien Starfighter'
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 27 Mar 90 02:33:00 GMT
I totally agree with that, but there has to be some method for
standing. There are some things which can't stand on their own merits
because merits are in the eyes of the giver, not the receiver. Some
people are skilled communicators and get their points accross very
well. Others are uncomfortable about what they are saying so they are
disbelieved because they aren't convincing. Mr. Ed. may have or may
have not hoaxed the pictures, but in the words of Saucer Smear Mosely,
he doesn't sound like a "crackpot" What ever Ed did you have to admit
he has been very successful at what he has done. I would say presently
the score is Ed 2 , others 1 and it is the bootom of the 9th.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 27 Mar 90 04:19:00 GMT
I'd give Ed 1 other 2 but that's from my point of view. WHen you have
so many instances of multiple witnesses where the only one who seems to
get the good photo is ED you have to have serious reservations.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 27 Mar 90 04:28:00 GMT
And on what basis do you beleive any of his story? SImply because he
says it's true? Because it sounds good? Is there any evidence at the
trailer site of recent movement of the trailer? WHat's the man's drug
and alcohol history? How often in the past has he seen these things.
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker
Date: 27 Mar 90 01:30:00 GMT
> Makes an interesting beginning for a book! I am suspicious
I am suspicious, too, Karen. If it were just a book, other people have done
it better...
Since it's not a book, I sort of wish it had arrived with its plain brown
wrapper clearly marked: "Fiction -- handle with care".
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Photos
Date: 27 Mar 90 09:02:00 GMT
> Do you know if anyone else who took pictures of the
> object has ever been identified?
As a matter of fact, one gentleman who has preferred to remain
anonymous (going by the name "Believer Bill") is known to several
people, including Mr. Ed, Duane Cook (editor of the GB Sentinel)
and to ParaNet's own self-styled "prophet," Ray Griffin (though
Griffin denies this). And of course, to us at ParaNet.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Mar 90 23:28:00 GMT
To: Dan Drasin
> Pssst... Did anyone hear the Billy Goodman show a few
> nights ago? He
> was supposed to be interviewing a Roswell witness who had
> just
> recently come out of the closet (i.e., back into the
> country).
The guest that you refer to was Clifford Stone.
According to Moore & Company, Stone has some very good
information on Roswell as a military person during that time.
However, we are investigating Stone's background to determine how
reliable he is.
We will post a message on the outcome.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Director of Security
Date: 26 Mar 90 23:37:00 GMT
ParaNet is pleased to announce the apppointment of Don Ecker as
Director of Network Security.
ParaNet has experienced phenomenal growth and the need for this
has become very apparent.
Don, sysop of ParaNet Alpha-Delta, has been appointed
Director of ParaNet Network Security. Ecker is a veteran of Viet Nam,
having served 26 months in SouthEast Asia with Special Operations.
Upon returning to the States, he returned to college and after a
year at school applied to the municipal Police Department and was
accepted. Leaving after a year, he rejoined the private sector and
entered business in the world of finance. After several years he
returned to police work, and after serving as a uniformed officer
was made a detective, and became a criminal investigator. In 1982
he first became aware of the mutilation phenomenon when called upon
to investigate several cattle mutilations. While involved in a
SWAT TEAM exercise in 1986, he was wounded which led to his medical
retirement.
While recuperating he became interested again in the UFO enigma,
and was soon convinced that the best way to investigate it was to
treat the subject like a criminal investigation. Joining MUFON, he
was asked to serve as a State Section Director and Investigator.
Learning of ParaNet in 1987, he joined as an assistant sysop with
the old ParaNet RHO. During additional investigations of cattle
mutilations occurring in Idaho, the first of a number of cases of
what appeared to be "human mutilations" came to his attention and
resulted in investigations into this bizarre area of research.
Ecker has written articles for UFO Magazine, reported news and
written book reviews. He spoke on his research in mutilations at
the 1989 MUFON Conference, has lectured on the subject before
numerous organizations, and appeared on both radio and television
programs speaking on the phenomenon.
Security is a vital concern for any type of network such as ours.
I ask you to extend a warm welcome to Don.
Michael Corbin
Administrator
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True
Date: 25 Mar 90 08:22:00 GMT
In a similar vein, I read a story about how it is already possible to
make little tiny capsules, on the order of one-eigth inch, that can be
"read" by a local reading device. I had heard of similar devices also
that that were proposed to replace military dog tags. These devices
would be placed under an animals skin or in a soliders tooth for
postive ID purposes. Since they can be "read" from a distance, the
"1984" implications are chilling. Given the inevitible further
minituratization that will take place, the day will come when you would
be able to be implanted with these things completely unknown to
yourself and could be tracked. Now it doesn't take a genius to see the
similarities between this and the claimed implants done on abductees.
The problem that I find in the comparison is that "we" already have
these implants down to very tiny and easy to implant size; I would
thing the Aliens would have gotten them down to something better then
the claimed size and method of implant. Also, since this is now
becomeing a mass media story, it means it was a specialized media story
some years back and I can't help wondering if someone picked up on it
unconcously and got the alien implant theorizing started from that.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 25 Mar 90 08:26:00 GMT
Has Macabee ever come out with a clear statment of just what specific
methods of analysis he used on the photos?
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 25 Mar 90 13:49:00 GMT
Quite true, but aren't you generalizing. I'm not defending Ed., but he
has done a lot outside of UFOs for the community.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 25 Mar 90 14:04:00 GMT
I belong to no organized groups ( other than reading Paranet ). I have
for sometime (years) been in the right place at the right time. You
might think that I'm creating some of this information, but I'm not. I
am under no obligation to anyone to reveal my sources. The recent
activity and response from within Paranet is a good example why no
matter how close or what you say, there is going to be a problemwith
the twisting of information. I respect Paranet for it's service, and
intend to obey the rules of conduct, but I have my own code of reponse
which I've followed for many years. There is a lot of material involved
in the paranormal, and UFOs are only part of the areas which I am
pursueing. I've given very accurate information about many sides of the
field, but it is impossible to remain unintangled if I connect myself
with any organization. Most of the information I give out is done for
specific reasons, and very few know of it. I intentionally checked the
water temperature recently with some of my riddle type messages, and I
don't think the subject is hot enough yet. I also should add this is
not a contest where I will be acting for attention. As I said earlier,
I am not following anyone else's agenda.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 25 Mar 90 14:07:00 GMT
I think you are burning a strawman. The bible is the best source of
some possibly historical facts. Many of them suggests ET visits.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 25 Mar 90 14:11:00 GMT
Perhaps Dr. M. was instructed by some source to do as he has done, and
it is not a professional opinion. This might be pertinent.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 25 Mar 90 14:14:00 GMT
6 months before the midwest flap, I got a list of home towns, from some
folks at Eureka Springs meeting. Each one of the people had strong
sightings in their hometowns. Makes you wonder what the source is don't
it ?
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 25 Mar 90 16:12:00 GMT
> Many of them suggests ET
> visits.
Yes, but mainly to the suggestible. Its ALL open to interpretation.
Since none of the tracts in the Bible that could be ET-related can be
verified, and since they are all subject to interpretation, I choose to
simply ignore them until such time as they become useful - which may
very well never happen.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Date: 25 Mar 90 17:45:00 GMT
Recently I reported here that CAUS was set to publish a damaging
article on William Moore, in which they would show that the rubber
stamps used to stamp "TOP SECRET" on the documents were very similar to
the rubber stamps Moore uses to address his envelopes.
That article has appeared (Just Cause, March 1990), and for the
record, I am unimpressed. The author, Robert Todd, tries to build a case
on the basis of the capital letter "I" being slightly out of alignment
with the rest of the letters in both "MAJIC" and "WILLIAM". The fact is,
try as I might, I can't see the alignment anomaly in the WILLIAM stamp.
Further, the type styles are similar, but the size is different. I also
find it hard to believe that the same person who obviously spent months
researching the backgrounds of various individuals to find 12 who would
fit the historicity requirements of MJ-12, would not have the
forethought to purchase a rubber stamp that would match the type style
in use by Those Who Classify.
This is neither to defend Moore, nor to condemn Todd. I simply
require much more thorough research at this point, in order to answer
several questions: 1) What font is normally used by Those Who Classify?
2) If no single font, are there any other examples from confirmed
documents using the same font? 3) Is it possible that Those Who Classify
sometimes use movable-type rubber stamps, as does Moore? These seemingly
basic questions are not even addressed by Todd. While I still have
difficulty believing Moore would pull such an outrageous bonehead stunt
like hoaxing these documents himself, I am all ears, and I encourage
Todd to continue his investigation along these lines.
Jim Speiser
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: For Your Info
Date: 25 Mar 90 17:57:00 GMT
> BTW, talked with John Keel last night about UFOlogy in France and
> he says that the French gov't gave up on its own (secret) UFO
> research in disgust. Instead, the enlightened French now provide
> DIRECT GRANTS to UFO study groups to evaluate present & past
> sightings.
Was he speaking of GEPAN? I didn't know that that was secret, nor did I
know that they had given up in disgust. Didn't you and I hear otherwise
at MUFON 87 in DC?
>
> I actually packed up the videocassette & will
> mail it tomorrow! Will wonders never cease!
The REAL wonder will be if I can find the damn Roswell segment after all
this time! Will give it a shot, though, and if I can't, I'll find
someone that does have it.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Klass acts
Date: 25 Mar 90 18:07:00 GMT
Thanks, Linda, I was just getting ready to cite the U of N incident to
John.
By the way, in fairness to CSICOP, they immediately disassociated
themselves from the statement by Endicott, saying that some of their
number do go to extremes that they do not endorse. This was the main
reasoning behind their decision not to organize in "chapters," but to
let the satellite organizations remain autonomous.
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 25 Mar 90 21:52:00 GMT
Sure it's a generalization but Charlie Keating did a lot "for" the
community, like giving charity large sums of money, before his house of
cards collapsed. Of course, now we know that that money was
essentially stolen from retires. While the background of someone may
be of interest, I still think the evidence should stand of fall on it's
own merits.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 25 Mar 90 22:03:00 GMT
Pardon me for being frank, but the main agenda you seem to be following
is one to cast yourself as someone "in the know" without actually
having provided any useable information. At the risk of rehashing an
old assertion of mine -- the type of statmenty you make are
qualitatively no different then what Jean Dixon froths up at the
beginning of each year. Even if you were for real ( and you can guess
my positon on that one) it wouldn't make any difference because you
aren't provideing anything of value. Kind of like the psychic who
could tell the winner of horse races ahead of time but won't do so on
moral grounds (it would be missue of the power) -- Yeah right, and can
I sell you a nice brigde in Brooklyn?
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From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>
Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter'
Date: 27 Mar 90 17:23:45 GMT
-+Flying low over Ontario pine trees the Apache attack choppers soon
-+spotted a glowing, blue, 20 metre in diameter sphere. As targeting
-+lasers locked-on, both gunships unleashed their full weapon loads
-+of 8 missiles each. All 16 were exploded in proximity bursts 10
-+metres downwind from the ship.
^^^^^^^^
-+The missiles were carrying VEXXON, a deadly neuroactive gas which
-+kills on contact...
Why would anyone launch a chemical-weapon strike *downwind* of a
target? You hit it UPWIND, so the wind carries the agent to it.
Also I never heard of "VEXXON"; was someone thinking of the oil company?
There is a chemical agent called "VE", as I recall. I'll have to dig out
some of my manuals for more info if it is needed.
I wouldn't trust a neuro-agent chemical weapon to be effective on alien
physiology unless I already had evidence it worked. I suppose this is to
imply the strike force was well-experienced in attacking aliens.
Also, a spacecraft, of all things, isn't that likely to be sitting open
to the atmosphere, and thus chemical weaponry is one of the *last*
things I'd try against it, not a first-strike choice as described here.
Anyway, thanks for posting this; it is interesting. Not too believeable,
but interesting...
Regards, Will
wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
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