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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 232
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 232
Tuesday, May 29th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Skeptics UFO Newsletter
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Skeptics UFO Newsletter
Re: GB Circle
Stealth/Area 51
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: CONDOR
Re: Lazar Part 2
Disinformation...<grin>
Re: CONDOR
Re: Thanks for the good wishes and positive vibes
WOODWARD
INTENT
Controlled Orbital Mass
Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe
Re: Skeptics Ufo Newsletter
Stealth/area 51
Re: Lazar Part 2
Intent
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From: paranet!f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Ablan
Subject: Re: Skeptics UFO Newsletter
Date: 25 May 90 17:52:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Ablan <05-24-90 17:43> John Burke wrote:
-* Jerry: Your old bbs # had no forwarding #. I recently
-*asked Jim Speiser what your story was & he said that he
-*thought you quit the network. I don't know what the
-*official ParaNet rating of Whitley's story is, but the
-*concensus around here seems to be "truth embellished with
-*fiction". Anyway, this is where I've been: ...
Cool. Will you be back on mine, or just switch off?
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Jerry Ablan - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 23 May 90 19:09:29 GMT
In a message of <19 May 90 16:40:16>, John Finney (1:362/701) writes:
>> Seven or eight years ago, while living in Hixson, Tennessee, we had an
>> ice and snow storm. The ground was covered and frozen. My phone rang.
>It
>> was my neighbor across the street asking me to look outside and see if
>I
>> saw any kids running away or hiding around their house. "Somebody just
>> threw something and hit our house" she said.
>I also had this happen to my house sometime around 8PM that night. The
>news later made note of it happening and that it was happening all over
>the city. I think it was something like 8-10 below zero that night???
>
>john
The news I read said it happened in a band that covered two or three counties.
I know that it was experienced in Rhea County.
Yes, it was VERY cold that night. Did you buy the sonic boom story??
FJ
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 25 May 90 09:10:17 GMT
you story reminds me of some of the polterghiest like activty that goes
on when the space dudes,(as I call them) begin to work an area or house.
I wonder can you remenber any other stange or out of the norm events.
Either at that time or later. Also if it's not too personal how many
people were in the house,their sex, and age.
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Skeptics UFO Newsletter
Date: 26 May 90 00:04:18 GMT
Jerry: I'll be on your board whenever I can *get* on. You have so
many great new echos that it's easy to see why there's so much
competition for access. -- John
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: GB Circle
Date: 25 May 90 19:20:04 GMT
JD> "investigators" that are on the scene ought to be doing
JD> more then that sort of off hand dismisal. They ARE in a
JD> position to do something meaningfull but as I read the
JD> account they might as well be tourists - about all they do
JD> is wander around the thing gawking at it.
Very good point, of course.
I don't know exactly what's been done except for measuring and
photographing the circles. Might be a good idea to call around and ask those
who should know.
If I find out anything I'll post it.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 26 May 90 02:27:02 GMT
An article by Tony Gonsalves in Vol. 5 No. 3 UFO magazine speculates
that the Hudson Valley UFO may be the *real* B2 aircraft, while the B2
we see on television is a version intended for public consumption.
Gonsalves suggests that the real B2 may have vectored thrust
(ability to hover) and may be nuclear powered. His article is logical
and makes sense.
As I was looking around a bookstore today, I came across a few
possibly-related tidbits.
In a book on Stealth aircraft by Bill Sweetman, the author mentions
a USAF project for nuclear-powered aircraft. He said the project
carried the designation WS 125A. He said WS 125A began in 1955 and the
Air Force canceled the project in 1958. He also said it partially
continued until 1961.
Sweetman also mentioned a collaboration between Northrop and Dornier
on a fighter for the Luftwaffe which had stealth characteristics and
vectored thrust nozzles. He said the fighter was never actually
produced.
Serendipity continued hitting me in the face.
I looked at an Air & Space Smithsonian magazine and encountered an
article about a nuclear-powered rocket project that was underway in
the early 1960s.
The article detailed Project Pluto, which was the rocket project,
and mentioned that the engine for it was called TORY. The author said
that TORY was a nuclear ramjet engine, and that it was *successfully
test fired* several times between 1961 and 1964.
On a related subject, the author of another book on stealth aircraft
(forgot his name) mentioned Project Aurora. The codename Aurora should
ring a few bells.
Anyway, the author said Aurora is a Mach 5 steath recon aircraft, and
that it flies out of Nellis *Area 51 / Groom Lake*. He said that the USAF
had long ago instructed pilots that they didn't see any odd aircraft
in that area.
The Aurora/Area 51 connection would certainly explain the extreme
secrecy surrounding the area.
The recent retirement of the Blackbirds indicates to me that the
Aurora is operational.
Just some food for thought.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 26 May 90 04:29:00 GMT
JB>..Beckley & Brad Steiger make a lot of money together with
their crystal-clinking, mantra-chanting approach to UFOlogy - hence
the story
on Sedona where Brad lives with his bodacious wife, Sherrie.
@ Whatever happenned to Francie?
JB>Beckley is Inner Light & Inner Light is Beckley (an admitted
sensationalist).
@ Aha..the plot thickens (grin).
As for the story about the South
African UFO crash - there's an important reason why you never heard
about it
on ParaNet - it's pure BS. Get the latest Arcturus Books catalog
for the full
story. I'm surprised that Antonio would present that case in an
enthusiastic
light.
@ Hmmmmmm..What's the address of Arcturus Books?
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: CONDOR
Date: 25 May 90 07:58:40 GMT
I was wondering what happened to the ParaNet BBS. Before Mr. Corbin
left Colorado, I was told ParaNet was going commercial. If I join,
where do I find the files?
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: Lazar Part 2
Date: 26 May 90 11:40:07 GMT
MC> B. "...7000 MPH Saucers"
MC> Wouldn't this velocity heat and ionize the air, create a huge,
MC> destructive sonic boom and create a visible trail of superheated, ioni
MC> trail miles long? Note that this is not the "instantly there" gravity
MC> bending
MC> time and space propulsion technology. This velocity was supposedly me
MC> by radar.
First off:
Hello Mike, good to type at you again.
Second:
If, in fact, the UFO's had some sort of gravity bending or shield, or
whatever you'd like to call it then: NO, it wouldn't create a visible
trail of superheated, etc... as the AIR is NOT really in contact with
the Spacecraft (ship, saucer, etc...) I'm not a physicist, but I have
a fair amount of common sense and some physics background (college,
high school, etc...)
Third:
Through friend(s) that I knew or through third party, growing up in
Las Vegas... I know that people who have worked at NELLIS and the
Test Site (this is classified public knowledge, so to speak) have
watched images on radar exceed 6000 Miles per hour and then vanish
because they exceeded the RADAR's speed capabilites (at the time,
the late 70's)... This is of course Second and Third hand info
from "friends" in some of these SITES in Nevada.
That's all the FIRST's, SECOND's, etc... I'm gonna throw at you
for now!
Jeff
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Disinformation...<grin>
Date: 26 May 90 05:28:00 GMT
> I don't know if its disinformation........but it strikes me as unusual
> that
> a network as "up-todate" as Paranet hasn't heard of the rumored
> F-22/23????
> Seeing as to how hard everyone looks for weird flying objects...I'm
> surprised
> that we are not seeing something in this echo about the ATF.
>
> David Winters
> President
> Disinformation Brocasting System
Well, David, how do you think we stay so "up-to-date"? Because of users like
you! Because of you, ParaNet now knows about the F-22/23. That's how it's
SUPPOSED to happen. ParaNet isn't some Olympic deity that spews forth
information the moment it becomes available. Its a network, a network of
users, all of whom have their own unique sources of info. We just provide a
place for it all to come together. And FWIW, I haven't seen mention of the
F-22/23 in any other UFO medium, including Just Cause or even TS-Ben-NET.
Now....a small, niggling detail, if you don't mind. What the hell is the
F-22/23?
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: CONDOR
Date: 26 May 90 22:29:00 GMT
> I was wondering what happened to the ParaNet BBS. Before Mr. Corbin
> left Colorado, I was told ParaNet was going commercial. If I join,
> where do I find the files?
The network is not going commercial, at least not where users or sysops have
to pay for anything. As soon as Mike gets settled and cranked up, we'll figure
out what to do with the files.
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Thanks for the good wishes and positive vibes
Date: 27 May 90 03:20:00 GMT
->get the first pass draft done. (Clark did this to me!! ;-)
-> Thanks for
->the impetus Clark.)
->
No problem! Best of luck -- and if you need an editor you know where to
find me...
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: WOODWARD
Date: 25 May 90 20:50:29 GMT
I didn't mean to upset your sensibilities by my criticism of Woodward, who
already has the reputation for being a leftist-liberal.
He writes like one, talks like one, and acts like one, thus lending credence
to the old saw....
It's only a difference of opinion between us; you probably don't like Pat
Buchanan, who writes much more factually than Woodward.
(I read his book on the Watergate follies; it's my feeling that he himself
was deep throat, literally and figuratively, and tried to extend himself on
the Casey matter, but with Casey, no one believed him except the faithful)
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: INTENT
Date: 26 May 90 01:53:19 GMT
Pete, perhaps you can offer a definition of what the intent of this board
really is; I understood it to be rather a forum on the paranormal, or some
such interesting subject.
However, there was a post from someone named Jim Delton, extolling the
virtues of Bob (deep throat) Woodward referencing the latest Woodward book.
I responded to that post in the appropriate manner, after which I was
compared to a certain T.S. Bennett, a gentleman who certainly must have
offended Delton's sensibilities at some time.
For this I was reminded that the board was not for political fireworks, a
thesis with which I agree, and there were certain guidelines to which there
must be adherence. I believe the message was from a Doug Rogers.
In retracing my messages, I responded to one with prostitution in Las Vegas
as a subject, a line which generated some amusing give and take, and a reply
to Delton who had posted a rather politicised note on the virtues of Woodward
again.
Sure enough! My reply elicited some threatening response from Rogers, but
no there was none seen from Rogers to Delton, Delton being the person who
posted the original note on the Woodward book.
I had also posted what I felt was a rational response to rules of decorum on
this, or any, board.
My point is this: Is this a board on which the concept of paranormality,
and its ramifications are discussed, or is this a place where one or two
people can say what they wish, without worrying about cogent response because
of rules that apply to one and not the other.
It was fine when we were discussing magnetic lines of force, engines powered
by water, and a few other subjects of interest that were thrown in.
However, when someone posts a book report, but doesn't want comments on it,
then the raison d'etre of the board is suspect.
Could you elaborate on these issues....
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From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Thomas.Lett
Subject: Controlled Orbital Mass
Date: 28 May 90 01:52:26 GMT
As I was saying, This is in contrast with the orbital portion
of the craft which could be considered the 'wheels". The controled
orbital mass (COMass) should be designed at between 1 to 2 times the
mass of the platform. The more mass in the platform, the more energy
that is required. The ideal platform would be as light as possible.
The concept would dictate the if the platform and the COMass were
equal, the COMass would require the speed of 'escape velocity' to
maintain a constant radius in gravitation field. If the COMass is
twice the mass, the speed falls between orbital and escape velocities.
When you talk about earth's field (between 7100m/s and 1100m/s) the
acclerations are below 1g but could be maintained. The higher the
ratio of the COMass to the platform, the lower the speed that would
be required to maintain a constant radius. The catch is the more
mass in the COMass, the more energy that is required to drive it.
Time to go- I'll tell you how this works later.
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe
Date: 28 May 90 04:10:00 GMT
> Antonio's doing an about face on the South African crash
> (too late for publication, I'm afraid!) I talked to him a
> couple of weeks ago, and he agrees its bogus.
Should have checked with us first. We had it pegged for a hoax
right from the start.
Mike :-)
"You heard it first here!"
ParaNet -- The World's Most Important UFO Network!
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Skeptics Ufo Newsletter
Date: 28 May 90 04:12:00 GMT
> Jerry: Your old bbs # had no forwarding #. I recently
> asked Jim Speiser what your story was & he said that he
> thought you quit the network. I don't know what the
> official ParaNet rating of Whitley's story is, but the
> concensus around here seems to be "truth embellished with
> fiction". Anyway, this is where I've been: ...
A little truth embellished with a lot of fiction and an
imagination that works overtime.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Stealth/area 51
Date: 28 May 90 04:20:00 GMT
Good piece of information, John.
We have been carrying reprints of articles appearing in
"Monitoring Times Magazine" that deal with some of the legit
research being done at Dreamland/Area 51. I feel that some of
the current "luminaries" making certain allegations about UFOs at
Dreamland are taking advantage of a situation where legit secrecy
can be construed as an indication of UFOs up at the test sight,
knowing that none of this information can be verified.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Lazar Part 2
Date: 28 May 90 04:23:00 GMT
> Hello Mike, good to type at you again.
Same here Jeff.
On the second and third accounts, I find that you are replying to
a message not originated by myself so I can't engage in this
discussion.
On the other hand, John Hicks just posted a message regarding
Project Aurora, a plane capable of great speed, which I feel
could be possible for such radar images.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Intent
Date: 28 May 90 04:28:00 GMT
> Pete, perhaps you can offer a definition of what the intent
> of this board really is; I understood it to be rather a
> forum on the paranormal, or some such interesting subject.
First of all, EA, Pete is not the appropriate person to query
about your concerns. Second, this public echo is not the place
for your thorough discertation about such matters. Perhaps you
will find it to your advantage and everyone else's to direct your
concerns directly to Doug Rogers by virtue of Pete's netmail
area. This is an international echo and these long winded
speeches cost money and waste space.
I do want to thank you for your participation in these echoes. I
am sure that you will find Doug a most pleasant person to deal
with whom we have utmost confidence in.
BTW, where are you calling from?
Michael Corbin
Administrator
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