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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 382
Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 10 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 382
Today's Topics:
1.44M upgrading (help)
amiga-atari war
amiga 68010,and 68000 16 mhz?
APPLE + IBM Agreement
Author(s) of Alchimie Jr. - A Midi Sequencer
Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain
MEGA STE problems
Mgif 3.5
Portfolio in T2
Portfolio in Terminator 2?
Problems with FATSPEED.
skates.lzh at terminator
Supra vs. ICD controllers
TT memory allocation
what Atari DOES have (2 msgs)
What is GDOS?
XControl Maccel
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Date: 10 Jul 91 05:38:36 GMT
From: netcomsv!yonder@decwrl.dec.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: 1.44M upgrading (help)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, as you may have guessed, I am trying to get a 1.44m drive
working in my ST (1040STf). Anyways, my first bummer was that I found
I had the old WD1772 IC, so I purchased a 02-02 version. I came home
and desoldered the old 1772 and then soldered in a socket. I put it
all back together (plugged the old 1772 in) and everthing still
worked... So far so good. I then tested the new 1772. It works ok...
Now for the good (bad) stuff...
The 1.44M upgrade document says to run 16Mhz to the 1772 pin#18 from
pin #39 of the video shifter (U31). So I installed the new 1772 in
the socket with pin #18 bent up. I used a small set of test clips to
connect pin #39 of the shifter to the bent up pin. Well, everything
booted up fine still (from harddrive). All accesses to the floppy
drive failed now though. So I moved on to the next step. The docs
said to set the step-rate to 6ms (vs. normal 3) to offset the doubled
clock speed. I have TOS 1.0. The docs said to set the clock rate
from Gulam like so: 'pokew a08 3' for 3ms and 'pokew a08 0' for 6ms.
This seems kinda weird, like it would be more intuitive to do store a
6 for 6ms... Anyways I stored the 0 at a08 and then ran the IBMFMT.PRG
(of Y.Tsuji) as suggested in the docs. It just locked up when it
tried to format the disk.
My questions: Am I doing anything obiously wrong? Have I set the step
rate correctly? Are the pin numbers correct? Is there another place
I can pick up the 16Mhz? Should I go with a 16MHz osc (uhg)? Is there
a better way to test this?
Oh yah, I'm usng the TEAC 235HF drive (which works beautifully as a 720K).
Do I need to set the straps differently for 1.44M operation?
After I determine that I can get this to work at all, I plan to setup
one of the more complete HD circuits, probably using a '157 and the
HD line from the drive to select and appropriate clock rate...
Thanks...
--
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
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Date: 10 Jul 91 09:08:38 GMT
From: noao!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!occrsh!area88!erick@arizona.edu (Erick Tadefa)
Subject: amiga-atari war
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul06.143615.27970@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
>
>In article <1991Jul6.095641.18538@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
(Chuck Schul) writes:
>> my only envy on the amiga is from the start they had memory and slots easy
>> to upgrade.for those stucjk with olsder(older)st's we got to use
>> soder.atari should be more open minded.and i own an atari and i bitch.
>> ----
>> ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey
>> Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
>> UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
>> ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
>
>Try to copy Files on A Amiga and format disk, all there commands are external,
Benefits: Flexibility, you can remove whatever cmds you don't need and add
others, plus they don't occupy space on the memory map (ROM space)
>they have to be loaded from disk, that is why they have to use 2 disk drives,
>
Drawback: yep, 2 disks are almost necessary for ease of use.
also they only write tracks, not sectors, and with out CRC checking,
>they only do sum checks..
>
You can write to sectors all you want, just the OS writes/reads entire tracks,
DMA stuff...
B
Also all the Virus problems that they have, you can't write protect
>the disks as they don't use a dive controller ic.
>
There are ways to avoid viruses, bootblock viruses are the least of ones worrys
considering all the smarter viruses. Some bootblock generators are virus
hunter/killers. The chip is a drive controller, its just in a custom chip that
also happens have in it the sound DMA, D/A converters and so on.
There file format is very Slow and there machine runs some 30% slower
Can't quarrel with you on that, AmigaDos is slower than ST/IBM format, no
question about that.
>than a ST, this is because of the wait states that they have, no transparent
>video or ram refreshinger.
>
Speed is comparable, and much faster if there is heavy use of graphics & sound
Video is handled by the video chips, not the CPU, RAM refresh is handled by them
as well. The CPU has better things to do than 'blit' blocks on a screen.
I know I had one, all it was good for was Games.?
>
Yep, darn best gaming machine around today. Its also a neato computer too.
--
>*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
>*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not ***
>*** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! ***
>
The ST flickers now, with the new 640 x 800 & 320 x 400 hacks available for it.
BTW: I own an IBM, used to have an Amiga but they haven't upgraded their
graphics enough for my tastes so out it went...
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Date: 10 Jul 91 08:51:40 GMT
From: noao!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!occrsh!area88!erick@arizona.edu (Erick Tadefa)
Subject: amiga 68010,and 68000 16 mhz?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul6.095639.18532@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
(Chuck Schul) writes:
>
>i read on the amiga net that you can remove 68000 chip and replace with 8
>mhz 68010 for faster operation hardly no software problems if you do there
>are software patches to help.can this be done on the st;s? also the can put
>a 16 mhz 68000 with ram chip and software patch to run faster also.can this
>also be done on the atari and why not.they seem to have a good cheap
>upgrade fix for thjose who cannnot afford 500 for a fastv 68030 board!
>
The older ST Roms don't work with a 68010 because of some problems with how it
calls routines (using traps instead of simple JSRs), and the 68010 has a
different stack frame which mucks it up. On the Amiga you can do 16Mhz because
there conveniently is a 28Mhz clock you can pull and divide down to 14.32Mhz.
Don't know if there is a tappable 16Mhz clock on the ST somewhere however.
----
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Date: 10 Jul 91 03:15:19 GMT
From: noao!ncar!midway!clout!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul9.112242.31968@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
writes:
>Just to get some discussion going: What do you all think will be the
>effect on Atari of the recent agreement between Apple and IBM? It seems to me
>that it could be deadly.
>
>Steve Shawl
I'd agree, if it wasn't that both IBM and Apple have a big stake in nothing
coming directly out of this agreement. IBM wants to be sure Apple doesn't
put them through endless lawsuits when they move into GUIs. Apple wants
to be able to get into more offices. But neither one wants to develop a
product that the other one has something VERY compatible with. And by the
time anything comes of the cooperation, we'll be into another generation of
machines, at least.
I still say Atari has the machines on the shelf to make itself a future. They
NEED to grind them out in big numbers, and at a decent price. Do that, and
everything else gets better. Don't do that, things get worse. What Apple
and IBM do a couple years down the road is a problem to look at later.
Steve
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Date: 10 Jul 91 02:55:16 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!ukma!aunro!alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umhagma1@a
rizona.edu (Dr. Phrancinstyne)
Subject: Author(s) of Alchimie Jr. - A Midi Sequencer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
First of all, I must say that this is one heck of a sequencer. I would really
like to get a hold of these pseudo-geniuses to congratulate them and also ask
a few questions. It doesn't seem that they have an internet address that I
could get a hold of them at, so if anyone knows who these people are and how
I could get a hold of them it would be extremely appreciated.
I noticed that they have 4 places that you can get a hold of them at:
by mail, (to Switzerland, and I am in Canada);
or through one of the following (all of which I don't have access to, I don't
think):
COMPUSERVE ID 100016,156
BIX ID DCANEVESI
DELPHY ID DCANEVESI
(ALCHIMIE Jr, copyright (c) 1989,1990 Prosoft Informatique.)
Any help would put me in thorough blissfulness. Please help me soon.
Thanks in advance.
Brett Hagman (umhagma1@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
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Date: 9 Jul 91 23:58:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!hsdndev!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!fornax!wolf
gang@arizona.edu (Wolfgang Jung)
Subject: Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul7.213855.14145@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> scoile@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (elioC
evetS) writes:
>Anyone know a way to repoll the devices?
>
>Or, perhaps more validly, CAN one re-poll the devices?
>
>I've got two hard drives. The second I don't use very often, so don't normally
>power it up when I boot the machine, but sometimes I end up needing it, and it
>is SUCH a pain to have to REBOOT the entire system just to get one lousy HD
>on-line. Anyone know if there's a way around that?
>
the Problems seems,that your HDDriver just links disks while getting started
with booting. But run the driver again(if it allows doubled installed drivers)
In the case the Driver won't allow 2 of his kind to work, use a compatible,
but differnet on, when the second drive is ready. This should work..
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Date: 9 Jul 91 16:55:57 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!atari!apr
att@arizona.edu (Allan Pratt)
Subject: MEGA STE problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
carter@engr.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) writes:
>I can confirm the problem of the bad sound/display chip in my MEGA STE.
>I orginally just thought it was the way it was suppose to be.
You were wrong.
>Now that you describe in detail what I experience, lines on screen at 8Mhz,
>scratchy sound etc..
you should assume that you both have Mega STe's which are broken in the
same way.
>Look, when you buy from Atari, you GET what you pay for. Like it or lump it.
No, like it or get it fixed. Your Mega STe is BROKEN and should be FIXED.
Take it or send it back to your dealer and have it replaced or fixed. Mega
STe's are NOT supposed to be this way.
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
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Date: 9 Jul 91 17:41:18 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Mgif 3.5
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know how to modify Mgif 3.5 to work with a 1 megabyte system?
Could someone please pass this info on to me, telling me in detail how to
modify it? I know nothing of programming; perhaps someone would be willing
to help me modify Mgif 3.5 to work with 1 megabyte.
Thanks
Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com
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Date: 10 Jul 91 04:34:57 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!swood@arizona.edu
( EVENSONG)
Subject: Portfolio in T2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Perhaps we should be kind in return, and and name an atari.archive
after terminator
(chuckle)
swood@terminator.cc.umich.edu
(swood@atari.archive.umich.edu)
--
---- Insert favorite .signature here ---- | swood@argo.acs.oakland.edu
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Bitnet: swood@Oakland | swood@unix.secs.oakland.edu
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Date: 10 Jul 91 00:29:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@arizona.e
du (Juxtaposer)
Subject: Portfolio in Terminator 2?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Portfolio in Terminator 2?
Summary: Yup, I came, I saw it, It blew me away. :)
Expires:
References: <12267@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>
Sender:
Followup-To: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords: T2, portfolio, Arnold
In article <12267@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> cliu@jarthur.claremont.edu (Corey Liu)
writes:
>Anybody out there see "Terminator 2: Judgement Day" yet? Awesome flick!
>(IMHO) But that's not the point of my post.
>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but was that an Atari Portfolio making a cameo
Ok, wait a sec and I'll correct you. :)
>appearance in the film? Wow! An Atari machine in the likely summer movie
>box-office blockbuster!
>
>Did not look like Atari had a hand in the appearance though. I could not
>find any listing in the credits and it seemed the filmakers tried to avoid
>showing the product label (i.e. the Fuji).
>
They did make an appearance .... way down at the end of the credits in
the "Thanks to" section that listed just about everyone in the phone book. But
I am surprised you didn't see them as they were at the top of the Alphabetical
listing...
BTW, you're right, they didn't show the Fuji, but the BRIEF pan down to
the lable was just enough, and went into focus enough (for about 1/2 sec) to
show the label. They must not have paid the movie makers much because Subway
Sandwiches had a good 30 sec. spot during the time the cops were telling
Sara Connor (Linda Hamilton) in the Loony bin that someone had taken John and
killed the foster parents. Makes you wonder what size of "contributions" they
make to the movie producers for this kind of stuff.
>Am I incorrect? Any info on this?
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "This must be the place I waited years to leave." - P.S.B.
>Corey Liu (__) cliu@jarthur.claremont.edu
>Harvey Mudd College |oo| cliu@jarthur.uucp
>Claremont, CA \/--Moo! cliu@jarthur.bitnet
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Mike
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Date: 10 Jul 91 09:34:04 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins)
Subject: Problems with FATSPEED.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have been asked by M.Bouron@uk.cray.com (Marc Bouron) to post this for him.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am having a few problems now that I've downloaded FATSPEED. I cannot write
to any HD partitions ("disk full"!!) and `show information' eventually crashes
with four bombs (illegal instruction). Delete and rename work fine :-|
I have NeoDesk 2.06 running over TOS 1.0 -- does anyone know any problem with
such a configuration? I have stripped out my AUTO folder, so I am just running
ICDBOOT.SYS, FATSPEED.PRG, and STARTGEM.PRG -- this had no effect...
As ever, thanks for any and all information :-)
Cheers,
[M][a][r][c]
##############################################################################
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# Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ #
# Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) #
# +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | #
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##############################################################################
Graham Higgins.
HPLabs, Bristol, UK.
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Date: 9 Jul 91 20:28:56 GMT
From:
pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!aidev.enet.dec.com!miskinis@decw
rl.dec.com (John Miskinis)
Subject: skates.lzh at terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, first I should express my feelings toward .LZH files:
"There should be a law against them!"
I finally obtained an LZH extractor that worked with the .LZH file :)
ANYWAY, I placed the files in A:/skates/jmw as documented, but keep
getting a mysterious "error #052, press any key"...
Has anyone out there been successful in getting SKATES.LZH to work
for them? I'm *REAL* excited over the existence of a skateboarding
game for the ST, and the comments say BIG, and FUN...
_John_
(Systems Programmer / Skateboarder)
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Date: 10 Jul 91 06:04:03 GMT
From: netcomsv!yonder@decwrl.dec.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: Supra vs. ICD controllers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm about to emabark on the fun project of setting up a homebrew
harddrive system for my ST (SyQuest 44). Anyways, lots of folks have
suggested the ICD Advantage adapters. ICD's seem to be reliable, have
good tech support and very good software. Supra adapters can be
gotten for less though. The Supra adapters have everything the ICD
has as far as basic features. Both have clocks. Are the ICD adapters
worth the extra money. Should I avoid Supra? I haven't heard anything
good or bad about the Supra controllers. BTW, I'm going by what I have
seen in my new BEST Electronics catalog:
ICD Advantage w/clock --- $105.95
"The New" Supra w/clock - $ 77.00
Both seem to come with software, cables, etc. Anybody know what the
significance of "The New" is above. Was there an "old" Supra adapter?
Can anybody comment on Supra's support, reliability? How about will
a Supra work with a SyQuest (obviously very important).
--
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
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Date: 9 Jul 91 17:04:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!portal!atari!apratt@arizona.edu
(Allan Pratt)
Subject: TT memory allocation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
martin@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>OK so far. My problem is that I can't find anywhere a description of
>*which bits* in the program header contain this information! [about
>allowing program load and malloc to come from TT RAM]
I think it's there somewhere, but it's easier to answer this than find
it myself and tell you where to look.
One of the previously-unused longwords in the program header has been
assigned a meaning as of TOS 1.4. The least significant bit of this
longword is a flag which, when set, says "don't bother to clear the whole
TPA, just my declared BSS." The next-least significant bit declares that
the program may be loaded into alternative RAM (that is, non-ST RAM) and
the next bit declares that alternative RAM is eligible to satisfy Malloc
calls. The high byte of the longword has another meaning (too arcane to go
into here) and the other bits are reserved.
This longword is at offset $16 from the start of the program file. Thus,
the program header looks like this:
struct prg_header {
short magic; /* always $601a */
long tsize, dsize, bsize, ssize; /* segment sizes */
long unused; /* unused */
long prgflags; /* described above */
short absflag; /* if nonzero then no fixups */
}
I think program appeared recently in c.[sb].a.st which lets you set the
bits in prgflags.
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
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Date: 10 Jul 91 00:03:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@arizona.e
du (Juxtaposer)
Subject: what Atari DOES have
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5344@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
writes:
>And you think that a laser printer can print 1 megabyte a second? I'm no apple
>advocate, but the speed of appletalk can certainly keep up with the fastest
>laser printers on the market today for PC's. (pc is generic here). course i
>suppose that those atari printers aren't postscript either. have you used a
>laserwrite IISC (scsi laser printer). scsi is alot faster than appletalk, yet
>they print at the same speed.
Yes, I think that fast Post. Printers CAN keep up, if not surpass,
appletalk speeds (max 250k bps). The reason a LWIISC prints as slow as
say the IIntx (which I doubt but I shall hold my tounge as other conditions may
be present to cause the IIntx to slow down) is that the IISC uses a 68k
processor while the IIntx uses a 68020 (but uses appletalk). The IISC
doesn't have the speed to take better advantage of the SCSI connection. The
new laser printers that will be released October use 25MHz '030 and ethernet
connectable - those should be pushing the limit of the laser-printing speeds!
Does the Atari laser printers use anykind of CPU for image fetching?
Also, is the image bit for bit what is printed? If so, why is it so hard to
make it postscript-usable?
>
>.--------------------------------------------------------------------------.
>| UUCP: {amdahl!tcnet, crash}!orbit!pnet51!chucks | "I know he's come back |
>| ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!chucks@nosc.mil | from the dead, but do |
>| INET: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org | you really think he's |
>|-------------------------------------------------| moved back in?" |
>| Amiga programmer at large, employment options | Lou Diamond Philips in |
>| welcome, inquire within. | "The First Power". |
>`--------------------------------------------------------------------------'
-Mike
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Date: 9 Jul 91 16:53:28 GMT
From: kira!news@uunet.uu.net (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: what Atari DOES have
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1991Jul5.140200.18187@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, by
lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----):
> Howv much does a LaserWriter IIntx cost? What kind of technology had Steve
> Job chosen on his NeXT Laser printer?
Amusingly, the NeXT printer is very reminiscent of the the Atari Lazer
printer. It uses the Cube's display Postscript to image a page at 300
or 400 dpi and then spews it out though a fast connection to the Laser
to print. Exactly what an ST does when using Ultra Script.
bye,
Bob Pegram
pegram@griffin.uvm.edu
or
!uvm-gen!pegram
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Date: 9 Jul 91 22:30:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world!azog
@arizona.edu (azog-thoth)
Subject: What is GDOS?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ive seen many references to GDOS, on here, and in manuals, and my
question is simple: what is it?
Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understood in various
manuals, GDOS should have been included with my 520ST. Of course,
having purchased mine used, I may not have gotten everything. I
only got one diskette, labled USA Language disk, with VT52
emulator, and Control Panel, and Basic... Where would I get
GDOS from?
Thanx
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine | Close your eyes, what do you see? Dreams in |
| azog@world.std.com | rhyme with reality. - Fates Warning |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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Date: 10 Jul 91 01:17:57 GMT
From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@uunet.uu.net (Steven Selick)
Subject: XControl Maccel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I received XCONTROL.ARC from Terminator, and at first got a comlete
system hangup. After gradually adding .xpc files to the directory xpc, I
found that the problem was the maccel file. Is it my 1040ste with tos
1.6?
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