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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 413
Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 413
Today's Topics:
1040STe questions (3 msgs)
A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list))
Atari stuff for sale!
atarivir file (2 msgs)
digittal sample playback question
HELP!!! with lharc (2 msgs)
Idea for a program (maybe DC?) (2 msgs)
Introduction of a new user
NEW NEW MEGA STE problem?
Power supply for Atari DS and SS disk drive
Reset-Proof Ramdisk
Spectre GCR
Turbo-C (2 msgs)
Which archiver ? (Was: use unl ...
Zoo 2.1
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Date: 29 Jul 91 17:32:10 GMT
From: kira!news@uunet.uu.net (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: 1040STe questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1991Jul28.222059.4531@world.std.com>, by azog@world.std.com
(azog-thoth):
>
> Well, in a few weeks, I will have the money to purchase a new 1040STe
> to replace my lightning-struck 520STfm, and wanted to ask a few
> questions... (had to sell one of my beloved pdp-11s to get the money)
>
> Anyways. I know the 1040STe can use SIMMs for memory upgrade, and
> I am curious as to the difference between 1m*8 and 1m*9 SIMMs.
> Is there any pin difference? If I plug in a 1m*9 into a 1040STe,
> what will happen? Will it work, and just ignore the extra bit?
Yes, it will work and ignore the parity bit, I got mine off of
the net and they are working fine. Better than before actually, since
Spectre screens were showing patterns of stuck bits in my original
memory. Do note, you lose your 90 day guarantee if you do it yourself
(the tell-tale sticker must be removed 8-).
>
> Also. can the 1040STe use the 1mb TOS parts, that are found in the
> Megas? Reason I ask is I would like the TOS in a Mega, but cant
> afford a Mega STe! (1040STe for about $380, Mega-2 STe for about $1300,
> yes I relize its got a hard drive, but I cant get that kinda cash)
You mean the TOS ROMS... Mega STE ROMS (TOS 2.0x) might work, if
there are only two of them. You'd probably lose the analog joystick
port support, and the ROMS are not officially available. Earlier
TOSes won't work at all (including TOS 1.4), and are less good than
the TOS 1.62 that comes with current machines. Some programs don't
know about 1.62 yet - pinhead 1.8, an STE demo program - nothing
catastrophic. Good luck, post your experiences if you succeed please.
> I mostly do MIDI with some other 'hacking' (Ive thought before my
> 520ST died, and after, about an Amiga, its does have some nice
> gee-whiz features, you must admit, but Ill stick with Atari, thank
> you)
>
> Also, I see lots of complaints about problems on Mega STe's, and
> am wondering if any big time major bugs live in the 1040STe?
> I wont be using Spectre or anything fancy like that...
Spectre works just fine. I do suffer from the DMA sound/shifter
problem documented by Lars Erik Osterud. It's annoying, but not
fatal - unless it stops you from seeing Spectrum pictures. I run a
mono machine for now.
> Thanx
You're welcome.
>
> +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
> | Billy D'Augustine | I beg to differ! |
> | azog@world.std.com | -- Prong -- |
> +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
Bob Pegram
pegram@{griffin,kira,newton,sadye}.uvm.edu
or
!uvm-gen!pegram
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Date: 29 Jul 91 21:51:31 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.roches
ter.edu!lchd_ltd@arizona.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----)
Subject: 1040STe questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul29.173210.7577@uvm.edu> pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram)
writes:
>From article <1991Jul28.222059.4531@world.std.com>, by azog@world.std.com
(azog-thoth):
>>
>> Well, in a few weeks, I will have the money to purchase a new 1040STe
>> to replace my lightning-struck 520STfm, and wanted to ask a few
>> questions... (had to sell one of my beloved pdp-11s to get the money)
>>
>> Anyways. I know the 1040STe can use SIMMs for memory upgrade, and
>> I am curious as to the difference between 1m*8 and 1m*9 SIMMs.
>> Is there any pin difference? If I plug in a 1m*9 into a 1040STe,
>> what will happen? Will it work, and just ignore the extra bit?
>
> Yes, it will work and ignore the parity bit, I got mine off of
>the net and they are working fine. Better than before actually, since
>Spectre screens were showing patterns of stuck bits in my original
>memory. Do note, you lose your 90 day guarantee if you do it yourself
>(the tell-tale sticker must be removed 8-).
>>
Does thos SIMMs for IBM and Mac work on Atari Ste? What should I look
for to endure a 1 Mag SIMM work on my 1040 Ste?
Thanks
Ling Cherd
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Date: 29 Jul 91 22:21:43 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: 1040STe questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The "MEGA STE bug" does give flicker on Spectrum512 pictures, but if you
replace the chip every thing is 100% ok. The MEGA STE is a *GREAT* machine
And BTW - The MEGA STE TOS (2.05) works in standard STE's (it actually checks
for the MEGA STE hardware before it uses it :-) A friend of mine got it to
work on a standard ST too (this involved some serious hacking, but :-)
Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______
0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ /
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Date: 29 Jul 91 16:17:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!aero-c!quark2.aero.org!heirich@arizona.
edu (ALAN HEIRICH)
Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish
list))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <4638@motcsd.csd.mot.com>, lance@motcsd.csd.mot.com (lance.norsko
writes...
>You want to get UPS from the University of Kent.
>Check ARCHIE for the exact machine.
>
>UPS is 10 times better than DBX, SDB, GDB, and that ilk.
>
>It has an Ansi C interpreter built in; you can type in code,
>splice it in, and hit the GO button. Very very slick.
>
>Lance
Sounds great, I would like to get it. But where? These
directions are from from explicit... (what is ARCHIE?)
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Date: 30 Jul 91 02:47:07 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!c
huck@arizona.edu (Chuck Rickard)
Subject: Atari stuff for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have the following ST equipment for sale:
Atari SC1224 Original JVC Model $275
Beautiful condition
Brilliant display
Includes cable and power cord
Please make another if you don't like the price! Also, trades are welcome!
Currently looking for (IBM parts) ATI 8514/A video card, Hercules Graphics
Station, SCSI CD-ROM units, BIG SCSI hard drives, Laser Printers, and
any other weird or unusual IBM & Atari ST products.
Also, shipping and COD charges (if necessary) are not included in the price.
Thanks!
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
--
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
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Date: 30 Jul 91 02:30:53 GMT
From: ccncsu!lamar!sytang@purdue.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: atarivir file
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A group of Gremany is cataloging and testing virus for various computer which
including ST. They published the ST file in Feb.91 and stored in their FTP
server in uni-hamburg.de . To make it availble to more ST user, it has been send
to atari.archive.umich.edu and shall be availible soon.
It currently contain description of 20 virus including what configuration of
hardware the virus attack, the trade mark of the attack and the prevention.
Oh, file is atarivir.791 (which should be atarivir.291 to be correct, atarivir.
a89 was old file so should be disgard).
Tang
sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
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Date: 30 Jul 91 04:44:45 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: atarivir file
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
After read the files found out that new file did not including those in the
old files, so the complete catalog consists of 4 file: atarivir.a89,.789,.690
and .291 total 20 virus from these 4 files.
Tang
sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
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Date: 29 Jul 91 16:07:14 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpmcaa!patrick@arizona.edu
(Patrick Hawke)
Subject: digittal sample playback question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Try to look at NT_COMP at atari.archive.umich.edu in the sound/player
directory.
> NT_COMP will load and play the file, but more interestingly there is source
> to all kinds of player hardware, ROM port, Printer port, STe DMA and the good
> old standard ST soundchip...
How do you get the printer port to output. Is there a schematic for an
interface? I would assume it was just some DAC chip on the parallel lines.
Anybody have information on such a critter?
*Patrick
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Date: 28 Jul 91 20:24:30 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!horga!nathan!ue@uunet.uu.net (Udo Erdelhoff)
Subject: HELP!!! with lharc
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>I have lharc 0.51 it extracts the files and gives me one unamed file but no
Oh my good, stoneage is greeting... ;-)
>Any ideas or someone who can tell me which version of lharc to use
>would be most helpful and appreciated.
Try to get LHarc 2.00 ASAP! Should be on atari.archive...
/s/
--
Udo Erdelhoff ue@nathan.ruhr.de Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1
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Date: 30 Jul 91 04:26:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!maxwell.oac.uci.edu!jvance1@
arizona.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: HELP!!! with lharc
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <24886@shlump.lkg.dec.com> oconnor@vino.dec.com (My name is Joe
O'Connor) writes:
>
>I'm not trying to start a falme war or anything but I need to know which lharc
>will work with these 2 files:
>[...]
>Any ideas or someone who can tell me which version of lharc to use
>would be most helpful and appreciated.
I believe that UNLZH v1.72 is probably the best utility to use. It's
4 times faster at unarching .LZH files than anything else and I have never
had problems with any lzh file. Probably the best all around LZH archiver
is LZH11316.
Joachim Vance
jvance@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
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Date: 29 Jul 91 22:15:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!etsuv2.etsu.edu!r_gam
bs@arizona.edu (The Pendragon)
Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <19468@helios.TAMU.EDU>, r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu (The Pendragon)
writes...
>it. What I need is a Quota program for my HD. It would tell me how much
>of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each
>partition. I hate having to do a 'show info' for each partition individually
>then whip out the old calculator. I have a Syquest drive and ICD Host,
>if it makes a difference.
>
Well, I'll answer my own question. first, thanks to all who so generously
and promptly responded. As it turns out, there are several that do exactly
what I asked. I got dskchart.arc from atari.archive and it is great.
Also mentioned were diskSTAT-X and a program called FREE.PRG. Could someone
please send me FREE? It sounds really good but I wasn't able to find it
anywhere.
//// Send EMAIL to: |Robert Gambs |||| \\\\
/// s54394gr@etsuacad.etsu.edu |Computer "Games" Major |||| \\\
// Or R_Gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu |East Texas State University/ || \ \\
/=======================================================================\
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Date: 29 Jul 91 17:32:12 GMT
From: aurs01!whitcomb@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <19468@helios.TAMU.EDU> r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu writes:
>I just thought of a neat idea for a program. Maybe it already exists and
>if so, if someone would point me in the right direction, I would appreciate
>it. What I need is a Quota program for my HD. It would tell me how much
>of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each
>partition.
MaxiFile 3 from CodeHead has such a function. It gives a bar graph for
each drive (including floppy), and you may select information on any
one or all of the drives. There is also a numerical display next to
each bar indicating the total capacity of the drive, number of bytes
used and free and the percentage of the drive used and free.
Just one of many reasons to get this fine program.
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh, NC GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 19:08:06 BRA
From: Flavio Bressan <87141167%BRUFSC.BITNET@UICVM.uic.edu>
Subject: Introduction of a new user
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi all,
I'm a brazilian musician that is trying to decide for a new compu
ter to drive the studio. I have a good idea about the situation of the
Atari ST in the musical scene, but I don't know more about the Atari
computer. I'd like to know about IBM PC compatibility, UNIX for Atari,
hardware accessories, the differences beetwen the models ST, Mega, and
TT, perspectives for the future (I hear Atari ST will be discontinued).
The Atari computer is practically unknow in Brazil, and I wish a
help from you. If this topics was commented in the group, tell me how to
get a copy.
Thanks in advance,
Flavio Bressan
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Flavio Bressan | ISSUES: MIDI,Music,Hard/Software,HP28S,Women,AMIGA,
87141167@BRUFSC | ATARIST,APPLEII,PC,Elec. Eng.,and much more...
Grad in Electri |-------------------------------------------------------
cal Engineering |
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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Date: 29 Jul 91 12:05:48 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!alp!johnj@uunet.uu.net (John Janssen)
Subject: NEW NEW MEGA STE problem?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
One week ago I posted the problem to the net, and as I got some
messages back via email, I think It is worthwhile summarizing.
I will include only two (small) letters I got, as most were either
similar or not of help.
Anyway, thanks everyone who reacted.
> From: LarsErikOsterud
>
> On my MEGA STE I get the "Drive A: not ready / not responding" all the time,
> but a click on "RETRY" and everything goes well. Could be a drive problem
> (my first drive stopped stepping, and this one is an old one Atari had lying
> around .-)
>
Strange, I don't get that particular message. Not at all.
Except ofcourse when there is no floppy in the drive.
But what I meant is, the message:
"Drive A does not exist",
and this does not have a "RETRY" button, only "OK" or so.
And even tryinf thousands of times doesnot work out.
Only cold-booting once or twice.
I got a mail from John Henders:
> From: John Henders
>
> This problem has been reported elsewhere. It seems to come from
> interference from the monitor. Try spacing the monitor a few inches
> above the computer or put a cookie sheet under the monitor to see if
> that fixes the problem.
I did, but I have only used the computer once since that, so
I'm not sure that this really solves my problem.
But it looks promissing.
--
John Janssen Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl
The Netherlands
Work: +31 40 756588 Atari Mega STE, MIDI, C-lab Notator and Unitor.
Priv: +31 77 513177 Astro -Birth/Place/Date/Time you > you.doc
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Date: 28 Jul 91 14:30:49 GMT
From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown)
Subject: Power supply for Atari DS and SS disk drive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know how much power-supplies are for the ATARI SF314 DS drive
and the ATARI SF354 SS Drive? During an elictrical storm (with the system
up!) the SS drive stopped working. So I switched power supplies between
the two, and found it was just a bad supply. But the bad supply must
still send some strange voltage, because the drive it's hooked up to is
constantly spinning with it's light lit. I've tried the drive with the
good supply, and it works perfectly.. Anyone heard of this condition or
have any fix for it or where and how much for a new power supply?
Thanks...............
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are
unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are
uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message....
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Date: 30 Jul 91 05:24:18 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu (Doug
Wokoun)
Subject: Reset-Proof Ramdisk
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From: pv@polari.UUCP (Paul Varn)
>In article <31304@know.pws.bull.com> aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun)
writes:
>>
>>From: Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod Fulk)
>>
>>>That more sounds like a problem with your memory then a buggy program..
>>
>> No, I have had the same problem with my 4160STe. It throws two
>>bombs on the screen.
>>
>Have you also elliminated all auto/accessory incompatabilities by removing
>them one by one?
Even if I put Eternal first in the Auto folder, it does the bombs and
the rest of the boot proceeds. The copy of Eternal I have I got as part of an
archive called SYSTEM2.ARC, so I don't know how current it is.
--
Doug Wokoun / / | If you don't
(aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) [o]-[o] | stand for something,
||| L (((( STe )))) | you will
Atari / | \ S I G \___/ | fall for anything.
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Date: 29 Jul 91 14:20:17 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Spectre GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hey,
I just got a brand new GCR w/ROMS and I was wondering if anybody out there
can give me a list of Mac goodies that I should be on the look out for,
particulary, version numbers. Like what version of System/Finder is the
definitive one to use?
Bob Malay
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Date: 29 Jul 91 14:41:26 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!urmel!kaa!michaels@uunet.uu.net (Michael
Schwingen)
Subject: Turbo-C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>In Germany, the distributor of Turbo C is now Application Systems, Heidelberg
>>(ASH), better: of the successor of TC called PureC.
>>
>>PureC is a complete development system (graphics shell-editor-Ansi C compiler-
>>assembler-debugger-linker). It will cost about 400.- DM. The Developpers of
>>Pure-Software have also done the developpement of TC 2.0.
>>Users of Laser-C and Megamax C will automatically be offered an update to
>>Pure-C.
PureC is an improved version of TurboC 2.0 - they have improved compiling
speed and and the help system, and a new assembler (68000-68040) is
included. As an owner of TurboC2.0 ('Profi-Pack' - incl. Source-Level
debugger etc.), the update would cost me 150.- DM - I think that's pretty
much money for the minor improvements I would get :-(
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Schwingen, Ahornstrasse 36, W-5100 Aachen, Germany
michaels@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
PLEASE KEEP MAIL FROM OUTSIDE GERMANY SHORT-I HAVE TO PAY FOR INCOMING MAIL
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Date: 29 Jul 91 17:06:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!eastapps!ju
ggler!gaudreau@arizona.edu (Joe Gaudreau (Dances with PostScript))
Subject: Turbo-C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
michaels@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Schwingen) writes:
=PureC is an improved version of TurboC 2.0 - they have improved compiling
=speed and and the help system, and a new assembler (68000-68040) is
=included. As an owner of TurboC2.0 ('Profi-Pack' - incl. Source-Level
=debugger etc.), the update would cost me 150.- DM - I think that's pretty
=much money for the minor improvements I would get :-(
Could you provide more information on what the update involves/costs/etc.
Is there English documentation [yet] !?!?!?!?
Thanx for any help.
Joe
-=-
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Date: 29 Jul 91 15:37:47 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!zvm05
5@arizona.edu (U.Kuehn)
Subject: Which archiver ? (Was: use unl ...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul25.234634.8967@watmath.waterloo.edu>,
ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) says:
>I suppose that once someone spends a lot of time playing with three
>or four different versions of lharc, they might feel comfortable with
>picking one version to run on one machine and another version to run
>on another. Frankly, it makes me nervous, and I dont know whose
>advice to trust when it comes to picking the version of lharc to use
>on my machine. What I do know is that right now, I have some ".lzh"
>files around that can not be extracted by "lharc_X" and I have some
>other ".lzh" files that can not be extracted by "lharc_Y". (Names
>changed to protect the guilty.)
>
>What I would like to see now is a review by someone who does not have
>an axe to grind who would advise me about the advantages and
>disadvantages of the most recent lharc programs and make some solid
>recommendations. I want to read a reasoned argument, and not
>someone who shouts "Use X!" or "Use Y!", or "Its the best thing
>since sliced bread!".
Some days ago, I've got lha200 from minnehaha.rhrk.uni-kl.de; its an lharc
version 2.0, so it can unpack the lh5 method which is even better in
compression than the 'old' lh1 method. This version is from Th.Quester and
he seems to be aware of the incompatibility problem, because he built in
a switch for compatibility with those old unix-lharcs and others, which do
some wrong things with the headers in the lzh file; so there should be not
more problem. (but do _not_ use the lh5 method when posting something, because
not everyone can unpack it)
Ulrich
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 09:25:05 CDT
From: Mike Dorman <MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject: Zoo 2.1
To: Atari List <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
I just tried uudecoding the binaries for Zoo 2.1 (Bill Shroka's port...) and
the resulting .ZOO file isn't recognized by the version of Zoo I have on the
PC. Surely you don't have to have Zoo 2.1 to unZoo the archive of Zoo 2.1?
Help?
Mike.
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