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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 30 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 302
Today's Topics:
'only_ste.lzh'
: -) (was: Re: Mega STe Question (or Problems))
detecting GDOS and using vst_load_fonts
Green Goblin Virus
Hard Drive question
IMG gormat
Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? (2 msgs)
Lattice C
Legal action against STrabble game. (2 msgs)
Mega ST for sale!
Milwaukee Area ST User Group
please reply to this. favorite dealer listing.
Problems using GDOS and ha
Questions on Desktop/Environment
ST User Virus! (3 msgs)
ST World (UK) (was Re: Publishers (II))
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Date: 30 May 91 02:29:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura)
Subject: 'only_ste.lzh'
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I don't know what's going on here. After receiving the 26
uuencoded parts I tested the 'only_ste.lzh' file with 'fstlzh20'
and it passed. So I unpacked the files and it turns out to be
'msa.prg' and 'only_ste.msa'. Ok. So I ran the 'msa' program
and in theory I unpacked the disk. It turns out that on that
"huge" disk there were only a few files, none of which was all
that big. Is this some kind of joke? I think I could repackage
all the relevant files in a single LZH file of about 40K.
I've passed the disks on to a fellow who works at a store
that sells STEs and he's going to report back to me around the
end of the week. Has anybody finished testing this thing?
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 29 May 91 17:47:00 GMT
From:
news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net
(Jim Omura)
Subject: : -) (was: Re: Mega STe Question (or Problems))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May29.110338.1580@urz.unibas.ch> hofer@urz.unibas.ch (Remo
Hofer) writes:
>In article <1991May28.114007.22430@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>,
>csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>>
>> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes:
>>>Jerry Pournelle in his 'review' in Byte also commented on this delay. He
>>>made it seem like his TT waited for several minutes however.
>>
>> Which sheds some light on the way he likes to test gadgets. He would only
>> have to press any key...
>
Actually, I would have done exactly the same thing he did.
On any complex system you never know if it's fully debugged. If
you hit a key during boot, and there's a bug, you might just cause
a crash. There's no way to know. Unless told otherwise, the safest
thing to do while a system is trying to boot and just sit there
and stare at the screen.
>But where is any key located on your keyboard? I couldn't find it on mine. :-)
Well it's only on the North American versions. ;-)
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 29 May 91 21:09:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com
!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve.Yelvington)
Subject: detecting GDOS and using vst_load_fonts
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
(This is a repost ... because of a configuration error, the original may
not have achieved the distribution I had intended.)
---
I'm having trouble figuring out how to use an alternate font
to draw text in a GEM window. I presume I need to check for
the existence of GDOS before calling vst_load_fonts, but
how?
I'm also getting three bombs when calling vst_load_fonts, with
AMCLITE installed and ASSIGN.SYS set up properly (or at least well
enough that GEMINI doesn't complain).
I'd like to install Gemini 9 pt inside an application program.
Do I need to search for "Gemini 9 pt" in the data returned by
vqt_name() or do I search for the filename "BAGE09.FNT"?
Code fragment follows:
open_vwork()
{
int i;
char tmpln[80];
handle = graf_handle( &char_w, &char_h, &box_w, &box_h);
for( i=0; i<10; work_in[i++] = 1 );
work_in[10] = 2;
v_opnvwk( work_in, &handle, work_out);
fonts_loaded = work_out[10];
sprintf(tmpln,"[1][There are %d|fonts available][OK]",fonts_loaded);
form_alert(1,tmpln);
/* note: it tells me I have one font available */
fonts_loaded = vst_load_fonts(handle,2);
/* BOOM! Three big ones and we go no further */
sprintf(tmpln,"[1][After vst_load_fonts,|there are %d|fonts
available][OK]",fonts_loaded);
form_alert(1,tmpln);
if (fonts_loaded > 1)
set_font();
}
set_font()
{
/* Wouldn't it be nice if there were a font selector like the
file selector? (Volunteers?) */
int i,fontindex;
char fontname[32];
char *p = "BAGE09.FNT"; /* or should it be "Gemini 9"? */
if (form_alert(2,"[1][Load BAGE09.FNT?][Yes|No]") == 2)
return;
for (i=0;i<fonts_loaded;i++)
{
/* find the font */
fontindex = vqt_name(handle,i,fontname);
if(strnicmp(p,fontname,strlen(p))== 0)
{
/* select the font */
vst_font(handle,fontindex);
/* set the point size */
vst_point(handle,9,&char_w, &char_h, &box_w, &box_h);
return;
}
}
}
----
Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
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Date: 29 May 91 17:37:57 GMT
From:
news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net
(Jim Omura)
Subject: Green Goblin Virus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Many thanks to all who replied. Apparently I received the Green
Goblin virus on the ST User Magazine disk #58, December 1990. This
was apparently a well known situation to those who read the magazine
regularly. I never heard about it before.
I checked the rest of my disks and that particular disk did
indeed have that virus on it.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 22 May 91 15:21:33 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.
edu!ftpbox!motsrd!motcid!dalessio@arizona.edu (Mario D'Alessio)
Subject: Hard Drive question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a Syquest removable hard disk connected to an
OMTI RLL controller connected to an ICD host adapter.
Can I add an SCSI hard drive my system? What advantages
or disadvantages would SCSI give me over adding an
RLL hard drive?
Depending on the answer to the first question, does
anyone have a 80+ MB SCSI or RLL drive for around $250
to sell?
Thanks!
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Date: 29 May 91 22:08:49 GMT
From: oahu.cs.ucla.edu!stephen@locus.ucla.edu (Steve Whitney)
Subject: IMG gormat
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May29.014046.24302@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
>In article <A0b64gka@pfunk.hanse.de> blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de writes:
>>In <CMM.0.90.2.675111152.larserio@kvart.ifi.uio.no>, LarsErikOsterud writes:
>>1 word pixel width in microns (1/1000 mm, 25400 microns per inch)
>>1 word pixel height in microns
>
> Does most software actually take this into account for anything
>or can you leaave the pixel dimension 0?
I've talked to several other Atari developers who _do_ use this information.
Applications that print image files especially need to know the pixel size.
--Steve
>--
>Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
>lsuc!jimomura
>Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
--
Steve Whitney - UCLA CS Grad Student (())_-_(())
Soon to be working at Silicon Graphics | (* *) |
Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu UCLA Bruin--> { \_@_/ }
GEnie: S.WHITNEY `-----'
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Date: 29 May 91 20:55:43 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu
.edu!uafhp!engr!jdp@arizona.edu (Dalton Porter)
Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
acook@athena.mit.edu (Andrew R Cook) writes:
>I have some code that I wrote that will get rid of all the crap in catted
>together uuencoded files. Usually I just pipe the output to uudecode, but you
>can indirect it to a file if you like. It seems to work fine, I haven't had
any
>problems. If you want it, email me, and I'll send it out (source).
>
>Andy Coook
>acook@athena.mit.edu
If this one isn't sufficient let me know and I'll send you mine.
Combine file0? --> one output file that's decoded.
Dalton Porter
jdp@engr.uark.edu
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Date: 30 May 91 03:52:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv
1!watmath!ljdickey@arizona.edu (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <RALPH.91May16151116@orion.laas.fr> ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
writes:
>Sorry, I do not understand this shell script. Don't all versions of
>Dumas' uud strip extraneous headers and trailers from uuencoded files?
>The problem arises with all the nonstandard decoders/encoders that
>exist.
Ralph is right.
One does not need such a complicated script. UUD will ignore the
parts that it does not need. It jumps from the "include", past
the mail or news header, and straight to the next "begin" line.
A good command line might be like this:
cat somebigf.u?? | uud
Silvert's adaptation of the Dumas' code is great.
Highly recommended.
--
Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1
internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs
obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu
UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
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Date: 30 May 91 00:40:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!well!f
h@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn)
Subject: Lattice C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> I have been offered a 2nd hand copy of Lattice C version 5.
>Unfortunately the registration card has been sent in. Does
>anybody know what Lattice' policy is regarding transfer of
>registration (for updates and such)?
Goldleaf Publishing is now representing HiSoft in the US. The
policy for reregistering current users of HiSoft products has not
been finalizes jet. I suspect there will be a small $$ amout to
get access to tech-support and upgrades.
The number for Goldleaf is 415/257-3510
Fabian
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Date: 29 May 91 21:21:57 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!vsnyder@arizona.edu (Van Snyder)
Subject: Legal action against STrabble game.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May29.195434.16735@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M.
Baggett) writes:
>If Scrabble were a game no one cared about any more (like Pacman), I'm
>sure this wouldn't even be an issue. The problem comes when a
>shareware author copies a game that still has sales potential. The big
>bombshell in this area is of course Tetris. It's a simple concept that
>is unbelievably easy to implement. Easier, even, than Pacman. Since
>it's so easy, it's been copied all across creation. But this does
>indeed affect sales of the official versions, and sure enough, Spectrum
>Holobyte (supposedly) attempted to kill all the shareware versions of
>Tetris for the Amiga. (Perhaps an Amiga owner will correct me if it
>wasn't Spectrum Holobyte.)
>
>To see things from the other side, ponder this: How would you feel if
>you'd come up with the idea for Tetris, written the game and put it out
>there (commercially), only to come across equally good PD rip-offs of
>YOUR game idea?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original Tetris WAS PD, and the
folks that have been making money on high-quality professional implementations
don't deserve a copyright on the original innovation.
--
vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
ames!elroy!jato!vsnyder
vsnyder@jato.uucp
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Date: 29 May 91 22:56:22 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wi
sc.edu!ra!uvaarpa!murdoch!astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@arizona.edu (Greg
Lindahl)
Subject: Legal action against STrabble game.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May29.212157.27603@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
(Van Snyder) writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original Tetris WAS PD, and the
>folks that have been making money on high-quality professional implementations
>don't deserve a copyright on the original innovation.
As usual, you're wrong. I'd be happy to tell you in email, but you
don't seem to like receiving email from people who tell you you're
wrong. Freedom of stupidity, I guess. Your loss.
The rights to Tetris are owned by a Russian company who sells it to
various other companies. I recall a court case recently in which
Nintendo forced Tengen (a subsid. of Atari Games, which isn't related
to Atari Corporation anymore) to stop selling a Tetris game. Nintendo
had licensed it directly from the Rusians, while Tengen had
sub-licensed it from a British company who owned the "home computer"
rights.
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Date: 30 May 91 00:03:20 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!xanth!cs.odu.edu!cwc@ari
zona.edu (Chris Carpinello)
Subject: Mega ST for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For immediate sale:
Atari Mega 2 ST with TOS version 1.04 and a Tweety Board installed. Only $600!
--I'll ship it for free to anywhere in the continental US via UPS--
==============================================================================
Chris Carpinello (cwc@xanth.cs.odu.edu) /// Peace, Love, and NO CENSORSHIP
"Of all possible worlds, we only got one, we got to ride on it"__Grateful Dead
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Date: 29 May 91 18:55:30 GMT
From: mixcom!baaa02@uunet.uu.net (Theresa Krofta)
Subject: Milwaukee Area ST User Group
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The Milwaukee Area ST User Group (M.A.S.T.) will be sponsoring an Atari
Swapfest on June 2nd, 1991 in Milwaukee, WI.
We wish to thank the following developers and vendors for committing
to attend the show:
Apple Annie Branch Always Software
Compu-Seller West Dennis Palumbo Fonts
G.K. Enterprises ICD
Innovative Concepts Kolputer Systems
Komtech Micro Magic
MissionWare Software M-S Designs
Paper Express SKware One
Taylor Ridge Books Timeworks
Toad Computers Touch Technologies
Other User Groups that will be attending;
LCACE MAAUG
GCACE RACC
M.A.S.T. also will have two tables set-up for selling used equipment
both for our members and on a commission basis. There will be the new
TT and Mega STe computers at the show. I have been assured that both
machines are also for sale at the show.
We also will have the new Atari Coupon Books And Catalogs from E.
Arthur Brown Available to the attendees.
We hope that you will be able to join us in Milwaukee for this show.
We will be updating this notice as we have more information.
Ticket cost is two dollars in advance, three dollars at the door.
If you need a hotel, please contact one of the following;
Hampton Inn (414) 466-8881 (limited double rooms)
Budgetel Inns (414) 535-1300 (single rooms only)
If you have any questions please feel free to call (414)463-9662.
Thank You
Bruce Welsch
President
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Date: 29 May 91 14:54:23 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpspdra!freds@hplabs.hp.com (Fred Saavedra)
Subject: please reply to this. favorite dealer listing.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I don't have a favorite, BUT
Microworld alias ZEPHR in Berkley CA is not so hot.
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Date: 28 May 91 11:53:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ms.maus.de!Patrick_Dubbrow@arizona.edu
(Patrick Dubbrow)
Subject: Problems using GDOS and ha
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Steve Hamley steveh @ tharr.UUCP wrote:
>One common problem I've found is that GDOS (both AMC and Atari flavours)
>require the fonts and graphic device drivers to be on the same drive as
>GDOS.
Sorry, but that's wrong. F.E.: My bootpartion is C:. Timeworks DTP is
installed on partition E: with all its fonts and device drivers. There is no
problem to run AMCGDOS, Atari-GDOS or NVDI-GDOS.
Patrick
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Date: 29 May 91 15:41:40 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu
!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus
Brod)
Subject: Questions on Desktop/Environment
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
tnzoerne@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Thorsten Zoerner) writes:
>PATH=\0 (\0 means Nul-Char)
>C:\\\0 (\\ means Backslash)
>\0\0
>trash...
Normal behavior. Ignore the \0 after PATH, this is really _one_
environment string.
>Is there any way to reckognize from out of an Accessory if the
>aktual process is the Desktop (when receiving an acc_open) ?
No legal way, unfortunately. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 29 May 91 13:20:15 GMT
From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May28.202555.16251@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
> In article <10099@suns2.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor)
writes:
> >(This is probably only of interest to UK netters, although I believe ST User
> >magazine is available internationally by mail order)
> >
> I looked at from the Net recently was this "only_ste.lzh" sound
> demo package. Now this is a strange package with what seems to
> be a whole disk compressed into an ".MSA" file which in turn was
> LHARC'd. I unpacked this kit just this morning. When I unpacked
> the disk I used the MSA.PRG auto-formatting command. It seems to
> me that this method of packaging might allow for transporting of
> boot sector or other viruses. Has anybody else unpacked this demo
> kit recently?
> --
> Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
> lsuc!jimomura
> Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
I have just checked, it does have a executable boot sector, but its for
checking if you are using a Mono Monitor. ie. it gives a warning if not
--
Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
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Date: Wed, 29 May 91 20:17:44 EDT
From: dshorr@lynx.northeastern.edu
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The Green Goblin Virus came from an earlier ST User diskette(I forget
which month); they had a killer for it included in their next issue.
Unfortunately it wrote itself onto the boot sector of my SOB game(that's
Shadow of the Beast if you didn't know<grin>) before I noticed. I was very
surprised how many disks it found its way onto!
Dave Shorr
------------------------------
Date: 29 May 91 11:52:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus!
philabs!ttidca!woodside@arizona.edu (George Woodside)
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <10099@suns2.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor)
writes:
>Has anyone had problems with this months (June) ST User cover disk?
>I think that there is a free virus included on the coverdisk, which mangled
>the directory of two of my disks before I eradicated it. This is the second
>time that ST User has done this, and frankly I am bloody unimpressed. Anyone
>who's got this disk, beware.
And, anyone who's got the disk and VKILLER, please capture the virus and
forward a copy to me.
If it is indeed trashing disks, then it's different from the virus that
went out the first time.
--
* George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA *
* Path: woodside@ttidca.tti.com *
* or: ..!{philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!woodside *
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Date: 29 May 91 19:43:58 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!brispoly!gould2!aj_taylo@uunet.uu.net (taylor)
Subject: ST World (UK) (was Re: Publishers (II))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
NOTE ST World Issue 54 Quarter 1 1991 DOES NOT EXIST.
ST World is currently being given away with Atari ST User as was very
thin this last issue. It is intended to re-launch ST World as a
separate magazine at an unspecified later date
--
Andy Taylor, Bristol Polytechnic, UK
"... and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'cos there's bugger all down here on Earth."
Monty Python's Meaning Of Life
E&OE
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Date: Wed, 29 May 91 21:24:24 +0200
From: Hawkeye <cs1cp@hatfield.ac.uk>
To: Info-Atari16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
unsubscribe cs1cp@unix1.hatfield.ac.uk
Very very quickly!!!!
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