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 · 28 Dec 2020


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French and Italians living in UK face pension transfer block
HMRC move curbs transfer of funds to home countries

Josephine Cumbo, Pensions Correspondent DECEMBER 16 2016

French and Italian expatriates in the UK who wish to return home after Brexit face a new problem after British authorities in effect blocked them from taking their pensions with them.

HM Revenue & Customs has removed all French and Italian pension schemes from its list of international schemes said to meet the conditions for accepting UK retirement pots.

Pension savings amassed in the UK that are transferred abroad into schemes not meeting HMRC’s approval are liable for UK tax charges, which can amount to half the value of the fund.


Last month, 11 French and 19 Italian pension schemes were on the list of recognised overseas pension schemes published monthly by HMRC. But no schemes were listed for either of these countries when an updated list was released this week.

“HMRC was getting worried about pension money flowing out of the UK to offshore schemes which weren’t compliant with its rules,” said Geraint Davies, managing director of Montfort International, which advises on overseas pension transfers.

“They were particularly worried about offshore schemes that allowed cash — which had benefited from tax relief in the UK — to be taken before age 55, a move that will result in big tax charges in the UK.”

There are still dozens of German schemes on HMRC’s list and two for Spain. These schemes do not allow access to pension cash before the age of 55.

Household company names in France were among the schemes removed from the British list, including insurance companies Swiss Life, Axa and the UK-listed Aviva.

It’s not a terribly happy situation for anyone who wants to move their pension fund to France or Italy. They may to have to shift their fund to Gibraltar or Malta or the pension will have to be left behind in the UK, unless they can think of something else to do with it

James McLeod
“All French Qualifying Recognised Overseas Pension Schemes (QROPS) have been removed from the British taxman’s official list of offshore pensions because French legislation allows scheme members to access scheme funds before age 55 in a variety of exceptional circumstances, such as unemployment,” said Swiss Life.


Mr Davies said the move would have a “significant” impact on anyone planning to move pension cash from the UK to these European countries.

At present, about 300,000 Italian- and French-born individuals live in the UK but the move will also affect Britons who had planned to retire to sunnier climes in Europe.

”Transfers to France and Italy are now effectively blocked,” added Mr Davies. “Unless these countries change their pension rules so they match the UK’s, then this is permanent.”

Experts said it was difficult to estimate the amount of UK pension money flowing to these countries, traditionally popular with British retirees. But in the past tax year about £1.5bn in pension cash was shifted offshore, according to HMRC figures.

“It’s not a terribly happy situation for anyone who wants to move their pension fund to France or Italy,” said James McLeod, head of pensions and general counsel to AES, an advisory firm.

“They may have to shift their fund to Gibraltar or Malta or the pension will have to be left behind in the UK, unless they can think of something else to do with it. This is another headache for overseas workers planning to return home after Brexit.”

When asked why it had delisted the schemes, HMRC said: ‘We do not comment on identifiable schemes or jurisdictions’.”

Source https://www.ft.com/content/22a587c6-c2d0-11e6-81c2-f57d90f6741a

Spiegazione
Quando vai in pensione dipende dal numero di anni in cui hai pagato contributi, ma quanto sarà la tua pensione dipende da quanto hai effettivamente pagato di contributi. A me interessano entrambe le cose ma questo non vuol dire che del denaro debba essere trasferito. Da quanto ho capito gli accordi comunitari (incluso UK dicono che se tu hai maturato più un anno di contributi in un altro paese e poi torni in Italia, quei contributi ti saranno conteggiati come se fossero stati versati in Italia. Gli accordi tra gli Stati in pratica dicono che anziché passarsi una marea di soldi avanti e indietro, semplicemente ognuno prende atto di quanto è stato versato ad altri paesi senza ricevere effettivamente i fondi. Questo è fatto perché alla fine col fatto che espatriati in altri paesi dell'Unione li hanno tutti, alla fine le cose si bilanciano. Se questo è corretto, quello che si deve fare una volta tornati in Italia è far sapere all'inps che deve tenere conto ti X tempo e Y quantità di contributi versati nel paese Z. Vorrei capire se qualcuno c'è già passato ma pare una cosa rara

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No, non riscatto ma totalizzazione (il riscatto è per i periodi di studio o per periodi in stati non convenzionati. Consiglio anche io Patronato senza esitazione, è gratuito ed è proprio il loro lavoro fare pratiche in convenzione). Tuttavia se non sei in procinto di andare in pensione, ti spiegheranno le regole e ti faranno un estratto contributivo (possono aiutarti per il NI record qui) ma non avvieranno nessuna pratica adesso perché appunto i contributi non si spostano.


La comunicazione tra gli enti non avviene in automatico adesso perché non ce n'è motivo, ma il collegamento degli enti avviene poi quando inizi le pratiche. Nonostante la Brexit, il coordinamento dei sistemi dovrebbe essere mantenuto.


X Grazie mille! Mi sarebbe piaciuto portarmi avanti e riconoscere i contributi versati nei vari paesi perché ho paura che se aspetto di andare in pensione nel frattempo mi perderò documenti e simili. Grazie ancora!


Y rivolgiti al Patronato perche' ormai i paesi si scambiano i formulari per via elettronica (mentre una volta avveniva in via cartacea), quindi e' possibile che tu possa richiedere un estratto contributivo internazionale che riporta gia' i contributi esteri.

Io so che bisognava chiedere qui in Uk prima di andarsene e poi i contributi ti vengono versati direttamente nel conto corrente in italia Potrebbe servire ? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-insurance-statement-of-national-insurance-contributions-ca3916?fbclid=IwAR1C7rV-cl71eRGZmU2iVXiAApa1HiPTxFgxBbCk0fY-eaSfNGR1sWRf3U4

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